Comments on: The 10 best baseball players not in the Hall of Fame http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/ A Historical Look at the National Pastime Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:04:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mike http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-19539 Mike Sun, 04 Dec 2011 20:10:18 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-19539 My top ten not in the HOF: Lou Whitaker - in the top ten second basemen of all time Bobby Grich - also in the top ten second basemen of all time Ron Santo - - in the top ten third basemen of all time Jeff Bagwell - in the top seven first basemen of all time Edgar Martinez - in top four DH's of all time (with Molitor, Thome, and Big Frank) Bill Dahlen - woefully underrated SS from the dead ball era - top five SS all-time Barry Larkin - top ten SS of all time Alan Trammell - top ten SS of all time Larry Walker - great player underrated due to where he played and the era he played Bob Caruthers - great 19th century player - racked up impressive value as a pitcher and a hitter Honorable Mentions - Rafael Palmeiro, Mark McGwire, Dick Allen, Keith Hernandez, Willie Randolph, Graig Nettles, Buddy Bell, Sal Bando, Joe Torre, Ted Simmons, Gene Tenace, Tim Raines, Reggie Smith, Dwight Evans, Jim Wynn, Sherry Magee, Lee Smith, Tony Mullane, Rick Reuschel, Kevin Brown, Jim McCormick, Luis Tiant, Jack Glasscock My top ten not in the HOF:

Lou Whitaker – in the top ten second basemen of all time

Bobby Grich – also in the top ten second basemen of all time

Ron Santo – - in the top ten third basemen of all time

Jeff Bagwell – in the top seven first basemen of all time

Edgar Martinez – in top four DH’s of all time (with Molitor, Thome, and Big Frank)

Bill Dahlen – woefully underrated SS from the dead ball era – top five SS all-time

Barry Larkin – top ten SS of all time

Alan Trammell – top ten SS of all time

Larry Walker – great player underrated due to where he played and the era he played

Bob Caruthers – great 19th century player – racked up impressive value as a pitcher and a hitter

Honorable Mentions – Rafael Palmeiro, Mark McGwire, Dick Allen, Keith Hernandez, Willie Randolph, Graig Nettles, Buddy Bell, Sal Bando, Joe Torre, Ted Simmons, Gene Tenace, Tim Raines, Reggie Smith, Dwight Evans, Jim Wynn, Sherry Magee, Lee Smith, Tony Mullane, Rick Reuschel, Kevin Brown, Jim McCormick, Luis Tiant, Jack Glasscock

]]> By: Denny Logan http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18549 Denny Logan Tue, 04 Oct 2011 00:10:38 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-18549 Outstanding website that features thought-provoking opinions that are well-supported. One player whose candidacy was too quickly dismissed was that of Lance Parrish. Lance was a fine receiver - extremely durable given the demands of the position he played. An eight-time All-Star selection, Lance compiled offensive numbers that can be favorably compared to those of Gary Carter and Carlton Fisk. While perhaps not a first-ballot guy, he definitely deserved a second look. Outstanding website that features thought-provoking opinions that are well-supported. One player whose candidacy was too quickly dismissed was that of Lance Parrish. Lance was a fine receiver – extremely durable given the demands of the position he played. An eight-time All-Star selection, Lance compiled offensive numbers that can be favorably compared to those of Gary Carter and Carlton Fisk. While perhaps not a first-ballot guy, he definitely deserved a second look.

]]> By: mike schuth http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-17268 mike schuth Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:23:19 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-17268 You did not mention Bobby Mathews and Tony Mulane both oldtimers with impressive sstats. You did not mention Bobby Mathews and Tony Mulane both oldtimers with impressive sstats.

]]> By: chuck http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-16836 chuck Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:19:41 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-16836 There are players that don't belong in the Hall. So of the players mentioned here compare not inductee to these players. Some talk about Kofax as say he only won x number of games. Ok , you don't know baseball. Kofax after he won the 4th game of the world seriew indicated he would have no left arm if he continued. Ted Simmons I would agree with . Minnie Minoso I would agree with . Most of you didn't see Minoso play. He would croud the plate and he would be hit by a pitch to get on . Strangely Nellie Fox did make the Hall. Bert Blyleven: who was that was a tough pither . I really think he is boarderline Hall . You had loads of tough pithers and the idea was to win . As to the real oldtimers , I didn.t see them play as so I would not want to vote on them . Barry Larkin-is another one I would consider both due to his hitting as a SS and his power . There are players that don’t belong in the Hall.
So of the players mentioned here compare not inductee to these players. Some talk about Kofax as say he only won x number of games. Ok , you don’t know baseball. Kofax after he won the 4th game of the world seriew indicated he would have no left arm if he continued. Ted Simmons I would agree with . Minnie Minoso I would agree with . Most of you didn’t see Minoso play. He would croud the plate and he would be hit by a pitch to get on . Strangely Nellie Fox did make the Hall. Bert Blyleven: who was that was a tough pither . I really think he is boarderline Hall . You had loads of tough pithers and the idea was to win . As to the real oldtimers , I didn.t see them play as so I would not want to vote on them . Barry Larkin-is another one I would consider both due to his hitting as a SS and his power .

]]> By: Eddie Budnick http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-16638 Eddie Budnick Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:33:21 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-16638 Everybody just forget about Joe Jackson here is a player who hit .408 for the Cleveland Indians in 1911 and after that he hit over .300 for the next 10 seasons something no ballplayers in this era could do. during the 1919 World Series against the Cincinnati Red Legs he hit over .375 also no ballplayer in this era could do what Joe Jackson did during his short major league career. and also there is no truth he took money from gamblers during the 1919 world series he was not a very smart person coming from South Carolina during the later half of the 19th century.! And I would like very much for him to be elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame next January where he belongs Everybody just forget about Joe Jackson here is a player who hit .408 for the Cleveland Indians in 1911
and after that he hit over .300 for the next 10 seasons something no ballplayers in this era could do.

during the 1919 World Series against the Cincinnati Red Legs he hit over .375 also no ballplayer in this era could do what Joe Jackson did during his short major league career.

and also there is no truth he took money from gamblers during the 1919 world series he was not a
very smart person coming from South Carolina during the later half of the 19th century.!

And I would like very much for him to be elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame next January where he belongs

]]> By: Graham Womack http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-13575 Graham Womack Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:23:17 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-13575 Hi Dan, a lot's changed in the near-two years since I wrote this list. McGriff finished 17th overall in December in a voter-driven project on this site on <a href="http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2010/12/06/the-50-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/" rel="nofollow">the 50 best players not in the Hall of Fame</a>. Gooden didn't make the top 50. Hi Dan, a lot’s changed in the near-two years since I wrote this list. McGriff finished 17th overall in December in a voter-driven project on this site on the 50 best players not in the Hall of Fame. Gooden didn’t make the top 50.

]]> By: Dan B http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-13545 Dan B Tue, 01 Mar 2011 02:22:03 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-13545 I'd take Fred McGriff over Dwight Gooden for the Top-10 any day of the week. In 19 seasons, he was the model of consistency. 11 seasons of over 30 homeruns and 8 seasons of 100+ RBI, He rarely ever missed a game due and was a huge part of the Atlanta Braves dominance of the Nineties. I’d take Fred McGriff over Dwight Gooden for the Top-10 any day of the week. In 19 seasons, he was the model of consistency. 11 seasons of over 30 homeruns and 8 seasons of 100+ RBI, He rarely ever missed a game due and was a huge part of the Atlanta Braves dominance of the Nineties.

]]> By: Graham Womack http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12352 Graham Womack Sat, 29 Jan 2011 02:43:18 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-12352 Hi Eric, I wrote a post in August pushing for Oliver to be in the Hall of Fame, <a href="http://baseballpastandpresent.com/category/does-he-belong-in-the-hall-of-fame/al-oliver/" rel="nofollow">which got me a rare nasty comment</a>. I consider Oliver a very underrated hitter, someone who got 2,700 hits and a .302 lifetime batting average in a pitcher's era. With 300 more hits, he'd have been a first ballot pick for Cooperstown. Funny how voting works with the writers. Anyhow, thanks for commenting. Hi Eric, I wrote a post in August pushing for Oliver to be in the Hall of Fame, which got me a rare nasty comment. I consider Oliver a very underrated hitter, someone who got 2,700 hits and a .302 lifetime batting average in a pitcher’s era. With 300 more hits, he’d have been a first ballot pick for Cooperstown. Funny how voting works with the writers.

Anyhow, thanks for commenting.

]]> By: Eric Spudic http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12351 Eric Spudic Sat, 29 Jan 2011 02:36:48 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-12351 I still think Al Oliver and Bill Buckner should be in the HOF. I still think Al Oliver and Bill Buckner should be in the HOF.

]]> By: Lysander http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2009/05/14/the-10-best-baseball-players-not-in-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-10622 Lysander Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:47:36 +0000 http://baseballpastandpresent.com/?p=28#comment-10622 Cobb & Anson were not racists; they were bigots, still a common trait but not expressed as openly now as it was when they played. The hall would be virtually empty if the writers used that as a disqualification. Unlike gambling by players, bigotry never threatened the existence of the game as a whole. Cobb & Anson were not racists; they were bigots, still a common trait but not expressed as openly now as it was when they played. The hall would be virtually
empty if the writers used that as a disqualification. Unlike gambling by players, bigotry never threatened the existence of the game as a whole.

]]>