It is my pleasure, as founder and editor of this site, to present the second-annual list here of the 50 best baseball players not in the Hall of Fame.
UPDATE, 1/6/2014: VERSION 4.0 OF THIS PROJECT IS OUT (and here’s Version 3.0)
I debuted the first version of this project in December 2010 and based it around a simple idea. Rather than have rankings be based on some all-powerful stat or my opinion, I sought votes from fellow baseball writers, researchers, and anyone else interested. Sixty-three of us voted in all including yours truly, thousands more read our work, and it was an easy decision to make this an annual thing. Truth be told, I’ve spent much of the year looking forward to this.
The results of the second year of this project follow momentarily. First, a few things. I kept the core foundation of this project the same, with every non-enshrined player who hasn’t played in five years eligible to make the Top 50 here and rankings still determined by total number of votes. There are a few new features for this year’s project. I asked voters to signify whether each of their 50 picks belonged in the Hall of Fame. I also asked for help from my fellow voters in writing some of the player bios and for providing a section near the bottom of our post detailing different methodologies for voting.
Eighty-six people in all voted this year, all but three by the original deadline of December 1, and I’m pleased with how everything came out. Without further adieu, here are the 50 best baseball players not in the Hall of Fame:
1. Joe Jackson, 76 votes out of 86 (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 59 yes, 17 no): Shoeless Joe finishing first is the essence of this year’s project. A man may be considered the best baseball player not in the Hall of Fame even if close to a quarter of the people who consider him as such also noted that they don’t want him enshrined. Of course, on sheer talent alone, one can hardly argue with Jackson being a baseball legend. Even his nickname connotes mystique, and he had a swing good enough for a .356 lifetime batting average and to serve as inspiration for a young Babe Ruth. Had Jackson and seven other Chicago White Sox teammates not been banned in the wake of the 1919 World Series, one can only wonder what might have been.
UPDATE, 1/6/2014: VERSION 4.0 OF THIS PROJECT IS OUT (and here’s Version 3.0)
2. Barry Larkin, 75 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 64 yes, 10 no, 1 n/a): Last year, Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar finished first and tied for second, respectively in our project. Both were subsequently voted into Cooperstown by the Baseball Writers Association of America, and next summer, the other second-place finisher last year, Ron Santo, will be enshrined. Will Larkin be the next player to follow the trend here? With a weak ballot this year seemingly absent of any surefire, first-ballot honorees, the former Reds shortstop might be the one player the writers vote in for 2012. One of the voters for this project , former Hall of Fame senior research associate Bill Deane recently told the Cincinnati Enquirer he thinks Larkin will get 79 percent of the vote, which would be enough.
3. Jeff Bagwell, 74 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 62 yes, 11 no, 1 n/a): With scant competition on the writers ballot this year, Bagwell could see a big boost from the 41.7 percent of the vote he debuted with last year. Whether he makes it all the way to the required 75 percent is another story. Ryne Sandberg debuted at 49 percent of the vote in 2003 and was inducted two years later. On the other hand, Steve Garvey started off at 41 percent and never did much better. Helping Bagwell are his 449 home runs and the fact he retired just shy of a .300 batting average to go with a .408 on-base percentage and .540 slugging clip, no common feat. His 79.9 WAR is tops for eligible players not in Cooperstown. It’s worth noting too that Bagwell accomplished much in the offensively-barren Astrodome. Had he not been a slugger during the Steroid Era, he’d have nothing to worry about.
4. Dick Allen, 73 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 46 yes, 26 no, 1 n/a): Some call Allen the best baseball player not in the Hall of Fame. He was definitely the best player not on this year’s Veterans Committee ballot. While it’s nice to see Ron Santo finally get honored, it’s a shame that consideration couldn’t also be given to another hitter whose numbers were affected playing in the pitcher-friendly 1960s. In fact, Allen might be the most underrated hitter of that era, with him closing the 1969 season with a career batting average, to that point, of .300 and an OPS+ of 163. And while injuries slowed him later on and shortened his career, he still retired in 1977 with a .292 clip and OPS+ of 156 to go with 351 home runs. A reputation, perhaps unfounded, as a clubhouse malcontent may have hurt his Cooperstown bid.
5. Tim Raines, 72 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 62 yes, 9 no, 1 n/a): Raines is a favorite son of the baseball research community, underrated in many ways. While his 808 career stolen bases are perhaps common knowledge, given that they rank fifth-best in baseball history, it’s Raines’ success rate that’s equally impressive: nearly 85 percent, with him being caught stealing just 146 times. His 1,571 runs and 64.6 WAR are also among the best for eligible players without a plaque. Three things, perhaps, hurt his candidacy: 1) Being part of baseball’s cocaine scandal in the 1980s; 2) Being relegated to journeyman status in the latter half of his career; 3) His role as stolen base specialist which, like being a relief pitcher, catcher, or first baseman, is no easy way to get to Cooperstown.
6-Tie. Pete Rose, 70 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 54 yes, 16 no): Like Jackson, Rose may have benefited from the addition of the “Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?” feature to the ballot this year. I wanted to make clear to voters that they could tab Rose as one of the best players not in Cooperstown even if they wouldn’t want him anywhere near the museum. I’ll admit that much as my new feature was meant as a quality control against 12-man ballots being emailed in from the small-Hall crowd, I’m glad it may have helped push Jackson up in the rankings from fifth to first and Rose from tenth to sixth. At least for playing ability and stats, all-time hits king Rose can’t be any worse than second out of all the men here.
6-Tie. Ron Santo, 70 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 60 yes, 10 no): Santo doesn’t have much longer in our group. The Hall of Fame announced on December 5 that the Veterans Committee had voted in the Chicago Cubs third baseman, and he’ll be enshrined on July 22, 2012. He was something of a cause célèbre for non-enshrined players, going the full 15 years on the writers ballot and then waiting another decade after exhausting his eligibility with them in 1998. His critics say Santo was a very good player, just not Hall of Fame-caliber, though his WAR of 66.3 is among the best for eligible players. Whatever the case, Santo was an easy choice for the Veterans Committee this year, being named on 15 of 16 ballots among its members. It’s too bad he didn’t live to see induction, dying in December 2010.
6-Tie. Alan Trammell, 70 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 54 yes, 15 no, 1 n/a): With Santo due to be enshrined next summer, I have a hunch that Trammell could be the new version of him for Cooperstown voters. The two men seem to be following similar trajectories. Like Santo, longtime Detroit Tigers shortstop Trammell was a very good, if not legendary player with a .285 lifetime batting average over 20 seasons. Like Santo, Trammell’s been on the BBWAA ballot for several years now, but with a peak of 24.3 percent of the vote after 10 years, he looks like a long shot to be inducted by the writers. Like Santo, the Veterans Committee could be Trammell’s ticket into the Hall of Fame.
9. Edgar Martinez, 69 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 52 yes, 17 no): I invited my voters to help write player bios this year. This one comes from Alex Putterman, a regular contributor to this blog. Alex writes:
The principle argument against Edgar Martinez’s Hall of Fame candidacy is his position and lack thereof; no player has ever been inducted into the Hall with more than half his career games played at DH, where Martinez was stationed in about 68% of his appearances. But the former-Mariner is 40th all-time with a career 147 OPS+, and his WAR of 67.2 puts him among Hall of Fame company. At the end of the day, Edgar’s offensive production makes up for the lack of defensive value and warrants a Cooperstown plaque.
10. Dwight Evans, 65 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 25 yes, 39 no, 1 n/a): Fellow voter Josh Wilker included an entertaining chapter on Evans in his 2010 memoir, Cardboard Gods (this is the chapter where an 18-year-old Josh has a hopeless stint working for Greenpeace.) I asked Josh to contribute something here, and he obliged. Josh writes:
Dwight Evans snuck up on greatness so quietly that many people missed his arrival at that destination. After being overshadowed on the star-studded 1970s Red Sox, Evans bloomed in the 1980s, growing a magnificent Selleckian mustache and junking his upright batting stance for a devout and precarious-looking Lau/Hriniak prostration. The new approach worked wonders for Evans, whose hitting rose to the level of his sublime cannon-armed fielding. In all, he won eight Gold Gloves and authored career hitting numbers equal to those of many already enshrined in the Hall of Fame. When he was in his strange crouch with the game on the line I chanted his nickname, Dewey, and believed.
11. Joe Torre, 62 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 43 yes, 18 no, 1N/A): Torre may illustrate one of the flaws in the new “Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?” feature for this project. As a manager, there’s little doubt Torre will soon have a place in Cooperstown. His 2,326 wins are fifth-best all-time, and his four World Series titles are tied for fourth-best. I didn’t make it clear if voters here should take this into account or say if Torre belongs strictly for what he did as a player. But Torre wouldn’t be the worst choice on that front either, as the catcher and first baseman hit .297 over 18 seasons. In fact, his lifetime OPS+ of 128 is better than that of Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra, or Roy Campanella.
12. Lou Whitaker, 61 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 44 yes, 16 no, 1 n/a): When people mention Trammell, they also mention his double play partner with the Detroit Tigers, Sweet Lou, saying they should be enshrined together and their plaques hung adjacent. Whitaker at least deserved more consideration than he got from the BBWAA. Despite hitting .276 over 19 seasons with 244 home runs, fine power for a second baseman, Whitaker was a one-and-done candidate for the Hall of Fame, an afterthought with just 2.9 percent of the vote in 2001.
13. Ted Simmons, 60 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 34 yes, 25 no, 1 n/a): Simmons’ bio comes from fellow voter Bill Deane, former senior research associate at Cooperstown. Bill writes:
Ted Simmons retired as the all-time leader in hits and doubles among catchers, and ranked second in RBI behind only Yogi Berra. Only Ivan Rodriguez has surpassed him in those categories since. Yet, Simmons was dropped from the BBWAA HOF ballot after one try, then waited 16 years to be snubbed by the Veterans Committee.
Simba was unjustly regarded as a poor defensive catcher, played mostly in media-Siberias, and was overshadowed by two contemporary HOF catchers, but consider their average HR-RBI-AVG stats from 1971-80: Johnny Bench (27-93-.263), Carlton Fisk (16-57-.285), Simmons (17-90-.301).
Simmons was one of the ten best catchers in baseball history. He deserves serious consideration for Cooperstown.
14-Tie. Will Clark, 59 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 15 yes, 43 no, 1 n/a): Were it up to me or fellow voter Jena Yamada, Will the Thrill would have his place in Cooperstown. Were it not for injuries and a career he chose to end early, perhaps other people might feel similarly about our all-time favorite player. In his prime in the late 1980s and early ’90s, the San Francisco Giants first baseman was one of the best players in the National League, finishing in the top five in MVP voting three times in four years. His career was just 15 seasons altogether, though his 57.6 WAR approaches an All Star average lifetime, and his .303 career batting average, 137 OPS+ and 284 home runs aren’t bad, either.
14-Tie. Mark McGwire, 59 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 38 yes, 21 no): I asked fellow voter John Perricone to contribute something on Big Mac, and John sent me a reworked, condensed version of something he’s blogged before. I don’t know if I agree, but John makes an interesting case worth sharing here, and I’ve heard others in the baseball research community echo similar sentiments. John writes:
Virtually every athlete strives to be the best. Some athletes will push the envelope only so far, while others would risk their lives if it made the difference between winning and losing. This is not only asked of athletes, it’s demanded. Coaches demand it, teammates demand it, fans demand it. Be the best, win at all costs, do whatever it takes.
In the five years prior to 1997, McGwire played 139, 27, 47, 104, and 130 games. Did steroids allow him to play 156, 155 and 153 over the next three years, hitting 58, 70, and 65 home runs? During those five injury-riddled seasons, he hit a home run every 9.44 AB’s. In the next three, he hit a home run every 8.17 at bats, not a tremendous difference. If steroids helped him stay healthy enough to break Roger Maris’ record, how was that wrong? Why shouldn’t McGwire do whatever he can to help his body heal itself and stay strong enough to endure the rigors of baseball, his chosen profession? If there are risks involved, why shouldn’t he be the one to decide if they are worth it?
I think Mark McGwire deserves somebody somewhere to stand up and say enough. He doesn’t deserve what he’s been put through. He deserves someone to say what he cannot.
16. Keith Hernandez, 58 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 27 yes, 31 no): Fellow voter Zubin Sumariwalla agreed to contribute Hernandez’s bio. Zubin writes:
With 11 Gold Glove awards, a record for first basemen, Keith Hernandez is among the best fielding first basemen ever. He had great range, good hands, and a strong accurate throwing arm. Baseball-Reference ranks his 13.2 defensive Wins Above Replacement (WAR) 36th all time and the highest total among first basemen. While widely remembered for his defense, Hernandez was also a potent offensive player with two Silver Slugger awards and an MVP award which he shared with Willie Stargell in 1979.
While his on-field talents aren’t disputed, Hernandez’s reputation as a clubhouse leader and teammate is mixed. Because of his cocaine abuse, Cardinal’s manager Whitey Herzog labeled Hernandez a “clubhouse cancer” and traded him to Mets in 1983. However, in New York Hernandez recovered from his drug abuse and emerged as a leader and eventually captain in 1987. Injuries ended his career a few years later.
17. Larry Walker, 56 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 38 yes, 18 no): When Albert Lang submitted his ballot for this project, he included blurbs on some of the players he voted for. I liked what he had to say on one of his past blog subjects, Walker, and Albert agreed to let me use it. Albert writes:
Larry Walker is one of the greatest left-handed hitters in the history of baseball. Walker is tied for the 38th best average by a left-handed batter in history at .313. He has the 46th-highest OBP in MLB history and the 15th-best slugging percentage all-time at .565 slugging percentage, which combines to give him the 17th-best OPS at .965. That number is higher than Alex Rodriguez, Ty Cobb, Willie Mays, and on and on. Sure it was helpful to Walker to have played his home games at Coors Field during his relative prime, but kudos to him for taking full advantage.
18. Bobby Grich, 55 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 35 yes, 19 no, 1 n/a): Fellow voter Andrew Martin of The Baseball Historian included a plug for Grich with his ballot. I liked it enough that I asked Andrew if I could share it here, and he obliged. He writes:
Playing in an era when a good second baseman might hit .250 with 10 home runs, Grich was both an excellent hitter and a superb player. For those into advanced stats, Grich compiled a career WAR of 67.6, which places in the top 75 of all time among position players. Since retiring he has been criminally overlooked, but was as complete a player as you’ll find.
19-Tie. Rafael Palmeiro, 54 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 32 yes, 22 no): Fellow voter Jonathan Mitchell of MLB Dirt agreed to contribute Palmeiro’s bio. Jonathan writes:
Rafael Palmeiro is one of only four player with at least 3000 hits and 500 homeruns, and while his Black Ink is below HOF means his Gray Ink, HOF Monitor, and HOF Standards are all well above HOF means. He ranks in the top 25 all-time in hits (25th), homeruns (12th), doubles (16th), Runs Created (18th), and extra-base hits (6th). The 73.4 fWAR looks good, too. The cloud of a career-ending, positive steroid test follows his every move but I find it hard to ignore his accomplishments when there is no proof of drugs aiding his performance. I believe he belongs.
19-Tie. Luis Tiant, 54 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 24 yes, 29 no, 1 n/a): With last year’s top finisher now enshrined, Tiant is the top-ranked pitcher this year. Is he the new Bert Blyleven? Some researchers I know would sooner bestow that honor on Rick Reuschel since his 66.3 lifetime WAR is now best for non-enshrined pitchers. Tiant was a fine pitcher regardless, going 229-172 with four 20-win seasons, the best arm the Red Sox had in the mid-1970s.
21. Minnie Minoso, 48 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 29 yes, 18 no, 1 n/a): Fellow voter Adam Darowski of Beyond the Box Score contributed the bio for Minoso, writing:
I read a lot about Minnie Minoso’s age when discussing his Hall of Fame case. Here’s the thing: It doesn’t matter. Minoso could do it all. He had some power. He had some speed. He won three Gold Gloves. It is his OBP that sets him apart, though. Only ten elgible non-Hall of Famers have an OBP better than his .389. Four of them (McGwire, Bagwell, Martinez, Walker) happen to be deserving candidates on the ballot right now. Without considering Minoso’s age and his time lost to the Negro Leagues, he is a borderline Hall of Famer. Factor in the time he missed and his role in integrating the Major Leagues, and he belongs.
22-Tie. Bobby Bonds, 47 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 9 yes, 37 no, 1 n/a): Bonds made a dramatic rise in our rankings after missing the top 50 last year, benefits of a largely-new crop of voters, I suppose. I’m curious to see what happens next year when Bonds’ son joins him on the ballot. Even if Barry isn’t enshrined next year, the name Bonds should at least be before Hall of Fame voters for a long time to come, and I wonder if this will help the Veterans Committee case for Bobby. While alcohol abuse and injuries curtailed his career, the elder Bonds was a perennial threat for 30 home runs and 30 stolen bases in his prime and retired with 332 homers and 461 steals lifetime.
22-Tie. Don Mattingly, 47 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 13 yes, 34 no): There’s a common theme for several of the first basemen in the top 50 this year. Like Will Clark, Mark McGwire, or Gil Hodges, Mattingly struggled to stay healthy throughout his career. Early on, though, he was one of the best in baseball, winning American League Most Valuable player in 1985 when he had 35 home runs and 145 RBI and posting a .323 career batting average through age 28. Mattingly had just two seasons with at least 150 games after 1989, however and retired at 34, finishing with a .307 lifetime batting average and nine Gold Gloves.
22-Tie. Fred McGriff, 47 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 15 yes, 31 no, 1 n/a): Quietly, McGriff may have been one of the most consistent power hitters in baseball history, contributing at least 80 RBI in 15 of his 19 seasons. He never hit 40 home runs in a season, though he led his league twice in the early part of his career and was good enough, long enough to finish with 493 homers lifetime. For the course his career took and his affable, unassuming attitude, McGriff perhaps rates as a poor man’s Hank Aaron.
25. Gil Hodges, 46 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 26 yes, 20 no): Another famously overlooked candidate, Hodges didn’t fare as well as Ron Santo with the Veterans Committee this year, with the iconic Brooklyn Dodger getting nine votes, three less than what he needed for enshrinement. For the time being at least, Hodges simply has a legacy as one of the best defensive first basemen in baseball history as well as a great early power hitter, his 370 career home runs fourth-best when he retired in 1963. He also managed the New York Mets to their first World Series championship in 1969 and still had a playoff-caliber club when he died suddenly of a heart attack less than three years later.
26. Tommy John, 45 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 21 yes, 24 no): Fellow voter Jonathan Wagner contributed the bio on John, writing:
Thomas Edward John was a crafty sinker baller. In 1974, in the midst of a banner year (13-3, 2.59 ERA) John permanently damaged the ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow. He underwent an experimental operation, designed by Dr. Frank Jobe, that replaced the ligament in the elbow of his pitching arm with a tendon from his right forearm. John came back in ’76 with a revamped delivery (courtesy of teammate Mike Marshall) and pitched for thirteen more seasons, winning 164 more games.
Overall, John was a three-time 20 game winner, two-time Cy Young runner-up, and pitched for three pennant winners in Los Angeles and New York. His 288 wins is the most by any eligible live-ball pitcher not in the Hall of Fame, and his 59 WAR is fourth, behind Rick Reuschel, Kevin Brown and Luis Tiant. The experimental ligament replacement surgery has now become common, and is simply known as ‘Tommy John surgery.’
27-Tie. Ken Boyer, 44 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 16 yes, 28 no): Fellow voter Adam Darowski of Beyond the Box Score also agreed to contribute something about Boyer. Adam writes:
With Ron Santo getting in the Hall of Fame, Ken Boyer suddenly is in the conversation for best third baseman not in the Hall of Fame. Boyer played in an offensively depressed era, so his .287/.349/.462 slash line (2143 hits and 282 home runs) doesn’t look at that impressive. But once that is park and era adjusted, he was worth 148 batting runs, good for 26th all time among third basemen. How many of the 25 players in front of him could match Boyer’s 74 fielding runs above average? Just three (Scott Rolen, Mike Schmidt, and Wade Boggs.)
27-Tie. Jim Kaat, 44 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 19 yes, 24 no, 1 n/a): As fellow voter Jonathan Wagner also wrote about John, it seemed only fair to recruit him to write about Kaat. Like John, Kaat was an ageless wonder with just less than 300 wins. Jonathan writes:
Jim Kaat started playing major league ball when Ike was in the White House, and continued until we all knew how to do The Safety Dance. He was a crafty control artist known for his shocking consistency, winning double digits in games for fifteen consecutive years. He was also known for being quick to the plate saying, “Because if the game goes over two hours, my fastball turns into a pumpkin.”
Altogether he won 283 games, winning 20 games three times, and garnered a record sixteen Gold Gloves at pitcher. He won a pennant with the Minnesota Twins in 1965 and a ring pitching in relief for the ’82 Cardinals. After briefly serving as pitching coach for Pete Rose in Cincy, he began a 22 year broadcasting career with the Yankees and the Twins, winning seven Emmys for excellence in sports broadcasting. Kaat placed second in this year’s Veteran’s Committee election, finishing two votes shy of induction.
27-Tie. Dale Murphy, 44 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 19 yes, 25 no): Through much of my childhood, I lived on a quiet street in Sacramento, and my Dad and I used to have these epic wiffle ball games in our front driveway. My Dad had this whole slew of players he impersonated, and one that sticks out in my memory almost 20 years later is his power hitter, Mail Murphy. That to me is the essence of the former Atlanta centerfielder’s charm. Sure, he has 398 lifetime home runs, back-to-back NL MVP awards from the early ’80s, and was respected enough with his defense to win five consecutive Gold Gloves. More than that, though, he was the kind of genial, All American player who could inspire fans. I doubt my Dad and I were the only ones.
UPDATE, 1/6/2014: VERSION 4.0 OF THIS PROJECT IS OUT (and here’s Version 3.0)
30. Tony Oliva, 42 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 20 yes, 21 no, 1 n/a): Oliva might have been the American League’s answer to Roberto Clemente during the 1960s, a superb bat in an era where there weren’t many. Or perhaps Oliva was another Dick Allen, a fellow bright, young player who got off to a quick start before injuries limited his playing time and ultimately ended his career prematurely. Whatever the case, Oliva hit .304 lifetime, winning three American League batting titles and leading the circuit in hits five times in seven years.
31. Albert Belle, 38 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 12 yes, 25 no, 1 n/a): Belle’s case for Cooperstown may have suffered with the BBWAA due to his famously hostile attitude, relative short career, and the fact that he played during the Steroid Era. But his robust offensive numbers hint that he may have been unfairly overlooked from his .933 OPS to his 143 OPS+ to his 162-game averages of 40 home runs and 130 RBI. Had he not retired at 33 or compiled more than 381 home runs lifetime, he’d surely have stayed on the Hall of Fame ballot longer than two years.
32-Tie. David Cone, 37 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 9 yes, 28 no): Cone played just 13 full seasons in the majors, though in his limited capacity he may have been among the best pitchers of his generation. Going 194-126 lifetime with a 3.46 ERA and 2,668 strikeouts, more than Bob Feller, Lefty Grove, or Juan Marichal, Cone was a steady, dominating force in his prime. He won 20 games twice and was on his way to doing so in 1994 as well when the strike ended his year at 16-5 with a 2.94 ERA. It wasn’t all for naught, however, as Cone earned that year’s American League Cy Young Award.
32-Tie. Bill Dahlen, 37 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 31 yes, 6 no): Fellow voter and Hall of Fame researcher Ev Cope was asked to prepare a list of pre-World War II candidates for the Veterans Committee to consider ahead of its 2009 election. Cope included Dahlen among his nominees, and though the committee essentially ignored them in favor of Joe Gordon (who might not have made our top 50 were he still a candidate), I know Cope isn’t Dahlen’s only supporter. I asked Cope to contribute something on the Deadball Era great, and he obliged. Cope writes for us:
How ironic it would have been had the Veterans Committee announced last Monday that it was honoring Bill Dahlen along with Ron Santo. Dahlen died exactly 61 years before on December 5, 1950. However, he continues to suffer the fate of several of his contemporaries seemingly forgotten by Cooperstown despite careers that compare favorably with various honorees. How unfair it is to the memory of those players, and to their surviving relatives, that their Hall of Fame bids are overlooked for want of research diligence.
Such effort (and it is easy today with the tools available) will show Dahlen’s worthiness. Ninety-eight years after his retirement, he still ranks in the top 100 all-time in: games, plate appearances, at-bats, runs, hits, singles, triples, times on-base, hit-by-pitch, walks and stolen bases. His work at shortstop places him 11th all-time in games at that position, second in putouts and fourth in assists. The new Range Factor statistic ranks Dahlen sixth all-time among shortstops.
I strongly advocate comparing players with their peers. In doing so, we are comparing performances that are accomplished under the same rules, equipment, field conditions, sports medicine (or lack thereof), and economic factors. It would seem that if we could return to 1911, when Dahlen finished his playing career, and bring our knowledge that a Hall of Fame was less than 30 years from launching, surely he wouldn’t again be forgotten.
32-Tie. Darrell Evans, 37 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 15 yes, 21 no, 1 n/a): When Rob Neyer linked to last year’s post on ESPN.com, he remarked, “I would move Bobby Grich up, and Darrell Evans way up.” I admit I still haven’t gotten on the bandwagon, Evans’ .248 career batting average and Keebler Elf visage nothing to call a special election for in my book, though I also know Neyer isn’t alone in his praise. Evans’ boosters like Bill James point out things like his lifetime WAR of 57.3 or his late career peak. It may or may not be enough for Cooperstown at some point, but Evans at least seems underrated. In fact, James called him the most underrated player of all-time.
35. Kevin Brown, 36 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 18 yes, 18 no): For the bio on one of the best pitchers of the late 1990s, I’ll share another blurb from Albert Lang’s ballot. Albert writes:
For his career, Brown amassed roughly 65 wins above your average replacement player. That is more than Jim Palmer, Juan Marichal, Jim Bunning, Dennis Eckersley, Mordecai Brown, Whitey Ford, Sandy Koufax, Red Ruffing, Bob Lemon, Hoyt Wilhelm, Dizzy Dean, and a ton of other players who aren’t Hall of Famers like those gentlemen mentioned above. Compare Brown to Don Drysdale. Drysdale pitched just 200 more innings than Brown and struck out just 89 more batters. I think Drysdale was a better pitcher than Kevin Brown. I don’t think he was a much better pitcher– certainly not enough that Drysdale is a surefire HOFer and Brown was one and done.
36. Dave Parker, 35 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 11 yes, 23 no, 1 n/a): Parker may fall into the Albert Belle and Dick Allen category of having possible Hall of Fame talent but a polarizing reputation. Like others here, he got caught up in baseball’s cocaine scandal of the 1980s, though at his peak, he was well-thought of enough as a player to be named one of the 100 best all-time by writers Lawrence Ritter and Donald Honig. Despite a pronounced decline over the second half of his career, Parker still finished with comparable offensive numbers to Hall of Famers from his era like Jim Rice and Andre Dawson.
37-Tie. Thurman Munson, 33 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 10 yes, 23 no): Had it not been for his death in a plane crash at 32 in August 1979, perhaps Munson would have done enough for Cooperstown. Or maybe playing in a decade without so many other iconic catchers would have helped his cause. At his best, though, Munson was the heart and captain of the Bronx Zoo Yankees, winning the 1976 MVP award and hitting .292 for his career.
37-Tie. Jim Wynn, 33 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 15 yes, 17 no, 1 n/a): It’s an esoteric feat, but Wynn might rank as the best player of all-time to appear on the writers ballot for Cooperstown and get zero votes. In 15 seasons, he was good for 291 home runs, hitting at least 30 home runs three times and nearly winning the 1967 crown for it. One can only wonder what might have been for Wynn’s offensive numbers had he played his best years sometime other than the 1960s or somewhere besides the Astrodome. That place wrecked more Hall of Fame careers than all the gambling scandals combined.
37-Tie. Bernie Williams,* 33 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 11 yes, 22 no): Out a weak crop of new additions to the writers ballot for the Hall of Fame, Williams might be the best of the bunch. The longtime Yankee centerfielder did a lot of things well with a .297 lifetime batting average, 287 home runs, and 147 stolen bases, among other things. He was also well-regarded winning five Gold Gloves despite the fact that contemporary research shows his lifetime defensive WAR was -12.0. This could all be helpful for eventually getting him into Cooperstown.
40. Graig Nettles, 32 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 13 yes, 18 no, 1 n/a): Like Darrell Evans, Nettles was a solid, longtime third baseman from the 1970s and ’80s who hit for power but not not much average. Like Evans and others on this list, Nettles doesn’t appear to have the traditional stats that would support him getting into Cooperstown, though he’s well-regarded by baseball researchers and other fans.
41-Tie. Ron Guidry, 30 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 9 yes, 21 no): Count me as one of the nine people who would enshrine Guidry if possible. While he only played 14 seasons, all for the Yankees, Guidry made the most of those years, posting 162-game averages of a 17-9 record, 3.29 ERA and 175 strikeouts. His 1978 season where he went 25-3 with a 1.74 ERA and helped New York to the World Series ranks among the best seasons by a pitcher in recent decades and he also topped 20 wins in 1985. Overall, Guidry was 170-91 with a 3.29 ERA.
41-Tie. Steve Garvey, 30 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 12 yes, 18 no): There’s essentially a subgroup here of players who looked like Hall of Famers the first half of their careers before falling off, in some cases more dramatically than others. Garvey may be the prime example of this. Through the 1980 season, Garvey had a .304 lifetime batting average with 185 home runs and an OPS+ of 125. But he hit just 87 home runs his remaining seven seasons and his batting average dropped to .294, his OPS+ to 116. Even his defense declined, with Garvey going from being a Gold Glove first baseman in the early part of his career to an afterthought in the voting for that award.
43-Tie. Orel Hershiser, 29 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 6 yes, 23 no): When people tout Jack Morris’s candidacy, a central point often revolves around his heroics in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series. It’s interesting similar cases aren’t made for Guidry or Hershiser, who were both superb in the postseason as well. Hershiser may have had as much to do as Kirk Gibson with the Los Angeles Dodgers winning the 1988 World Series, going 3-0 with a 1.05 ERA between that and the National League Championship Series. It was part of a storybook season, the best of his career, where Hershiser went 23-8 with a 2.26 ERA, eight shutouts, and a unanimous Cy Young Award. While injuries later got the best of him, Hershiser lasted another 12 seasons, finishing 204-150 with a 3.48 ERA.
43-Tie. Reggie Smith 29 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 7 yes, 22 no): Smith is a new addition to the Top 50 this year though his stats have long painted him as an under-appreciated player. A 17-year vet who made All Star teams with the Red Sox, Cardinals, and Dodgers, Smith racked up 63.4 WAR to go with an OPS+ of 137, 314 home runs, and a .287 lifetime batting average. Like many of the other modern players on this list, he’s a long shot to make the Hall of Fame, but in the Hall of Very Good, he’s pretty much a charter member.
45-Tie. Harold Baines, 28 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 5 yes, 26 no): Guys like Baines illustrated an interesting point for this year’s project, earning far more votes by and large than many of the 19th century greats on the ballot, but with a much lower percentage of their voters saying they belonged in the Hall of Fame. Certainly, I doubt too many people will cry foul about this over Baines, a very good designated hitter for much of his career but no immortal. His 2,886 hits, 384 home runs, and .289 batting average are all respectful but they don’t demand a plaque.
45-Tie. Bob Caruthers, 28 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 23 yes, 5 no): Caruthers joins Bill Dahlen this year as the only other 19th century player in the top 50. For his bio, I’m pleased to present another blurb from Albert Lang’s ballot. Albert writes:
If you don’t know Parisian Bob, you don’t know jack! Before there was Deion Sanders or Brian Jordan, there was Caruthers, a star pitcher and right fielder for the St. Louis Browns and Brooklyn Bridegrooms from 1884-1892. While he only played in nine seasons, he ended up with the 160th most innings in MLB history. Twice winning 40 games in a season, Parisian Bob finished with a 218-99 record. His 123 ERA+, 1.15 WHIP and 2.83 ERA all sparkle. He was by no means a one-trick pony. Caruthers had 2,906 plate appearances and a .282/.391/.400 line. In 1886, he won 30 games and led the league in OBP, OPS and OPS+.
45-Tie. Dave Concepcion, 28 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 8 yes, 19 no, 1 n/a): Once again, Concepcion slipped into the top 50, and I’ll admit I was bummed last year when he and David Cone knocked out Billy Pierce and Pete Browning in a tiebreaker. Sure, Concepcion controlled shortstop for the Big Red Machine, won five Gold Gloves, and made eight straight All Star teams. It’s just hard to get excited about a man with a .267 batting average, lifetime OPS+ of 88, or 33.6 WAR. There’s another side of this, though, one that could help Concepcion’s case for Cooperstown. Proponents of Pee Wee Reese and Phil Rizzuto, two honorees by the Veterans Committee in recent decades, say they were the glue for dynasties in Brooklyn and New York, respectively, leaders of their teams. With 19 seasons in Cincinnati, perhaps Concepcion was that for the Reds.
45-Tie. Wes Ferrell, 28 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 15 yes, 13 no): Ferrell might be among the most underrated players in baseball history. Since his brother Rick was controversially elected by the Veterans Committee in 1987, the critical refrain has been that Rick wasn’t even the best player in his family. And my voters and I forgot Wes Ferrell too last year, neglecting to put him in the top 50. I’m pleased to see him making an appearance this year, and while I don’t actively campaign for players, I wrote in November about how Ferrell was a dual threat, winning 193 games lifetime and hitting 37 home runs as a pitcher, the most in baseball history.
45-Tie. Roger Maris, 28 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 11 yes, 17 no): It’s been 50 years now since Roger Maris hit 61 home runs, and there are those who still consider him the single-season champion. This and his back-to-back MVPs for his 1960 and star-crossed 1961 seasons are the main things he has going for his Hall of Fame candidacy. Given that the museum rarely enshrines players on the strength of short-lived brilliance from Smoky Joe Wood to Lefty O’Doul to Denny McLain and many others, Maris’s chances don’t look great, though he’ll surely live on in the hearts of fans regardless if he ever has a plaque.
45-Tie. John Olerud, 28 votes (Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 5 yes, 23 no): Olerud might be Keith Hernandez minus the mustache and the cocaine and with a batting helmet that he wore in the field. Both men were slick fielders and good contact hitters in their prime, and Olerud even got the attention of Ted Williams. “Olerud hits more straightaway than I ever did,” Williams wrote in his 1995 book with Jim Prime, Ted Williams’ Hit List. “He gets the bat on the ball very well. He has a great attitude and always waits for a good ball to hit. But he may lack one key ingredient to make a legitimate run at .400: speed.” Williams was right.
UPDATE, 1/6/2014: VERSION 4.0 OF THIS PROJECT IS OUT (and here’s Version 3.0)
New to the Top 50 this year: Bobby Bonds, Bob Caruthers, Wes Ferrell, John Olerud, Reggie Smith, Bernie Williams.
Players who were in the Top 50 last year, but aren’t this year: Bert Blyleven (No. 1 in our 2010 project, now in the HOF); Roberto Alomar (tied for No. 2 with Ron Santo in 2010, now in the HOF); Jack Morris (tied for No. 36 in 2010); Dan Quisenberry (tied for No. 38 in 2010); Buck O’Neil (tied for No. 44 in 2010); Bill Freehan (No. 48 in 2010.)
Players who received at least 20 votes this year, in alphabetical order with “Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?” totals in parentheses: Sal Bando, 20 (DHB: 8Y, 11N, 1N/A); Eddie Cicotte, 23 (DHB: 7Y, 16N); Rocky Colavito, 21 (DHB: 1Y, 20N); Dom DiMaggio, 20 (DHB: 5Y, 15N); Curt Flood, 25 (DHB: 13Y, 12N); Bill Freehan, 22 (DHB: 9Y, 11N, 2N/A); Jack Glasscock, 25 (DHB: 14Y, 11N); Dwight Gooden, 22 (DHB: 2Y, 19N, 1N/A); Stan Hack, 20 (DHB: 9Y, 10N, 1N/A); Fred Lynn, 22 (DHB: 2Y, 19N, 1N/A); Sherry Magee, 25 (DHB: 15Y, 10N); Jack Morris, 26 (DHB: 13Y, 13N); Tony Mullane, 22 (DHB: 15Y, 7N); Buck O’Neil, 22 (DHB: 19Y, 2N, 1N/A); Billy Pierce, 21 (DHB: 5Y, 15N, 1N/A); Dan Quisenberry, 24 (DHB: 7Y, 16N, 1N/A); Willie Randolph, 26 (DHB: 10Y, 15N, 1N/A); Rick Reuschel, 26 (DHB: 7Y, 19N); Bret Saberhagen, 24 (DHB: 5Y, 18N, 1N/A); Lee Smith, 27 (DHB: 16Y, 11N); Deacon White, 20 (DHB: 17Y, 3N); Smoky Joe Wood, 20 (DHB: 10Y, 10N)
Players who received 10-19 votes: Ross Barnes, 13 (DHB: 11Y, 2N); John Beckwith, 13 (DHB: 10Y, 3N); Buddy Bell, 15 (DHB: 5Y, 10N), Vida Blue, 15 (DHB: 3Y, 12N); Pete Browning, 16 (DHB: 12Y, 4N); Bill Buckner, 10 (DHB: 1Y, 9N); Jose Canseco, 12 (DHB: 1Y, 11N); Joe Carter, 18 (DHB: 6Y, 12N); Norm Cash, 15 (DHB: 3Y, 11N, 1N/A); Ron Cey, 13 (DHB: 1Y, 11N, 1N/A); Jack Clark, 15 (DHB: 5Y, 10N); Eric Davis,* 12 (DHB: 0Y, 12N); John Franco, 10 (DHB: 3Y, 7N); Andres Galarraga, 15 (DHB: 2Y, 13N); Kirk Gibson, 10 (DHB: 2Y, 8N); Juan Gonzalez, 17 (DHB: 0Y, 17N); George Gore, 10 (DHB: 6Y, 4N); Mark Grace, 13 (DHB: 0Y, 13N); Babe Herman, 13 (DHB: 3Y, 10N); Frank Howard, 16 (DHB: 1Y, 14N, 1N/A); Elston Howard, 12 (DHB: 4Y, 8N); Indian Bob Johnson,* 15 (DHB: 6Y, 9N); Charlie Keller, 10 (DHB: 4Y, 6N); Ted Kluszewski, 12 (DHB: 0Y, 12N); Jerry Koosman, 11 (DHB: 5Y, 6N); Mickey Lolich, 16 (DHB: 1Y, 15N); Sparky Lyle, 14 (DHB: 3Y, 11N); Bill Madlock, 15 (DHB: 2Y, 13N); Carl Mays, 17 (DHB: 9Y, 8N); Jim McCormick, 13 (DHB: 8Y, 5N); Don Newcombe, 15 (DHB: 4Y, 11N); Lefty O’Doul, 17 (DHB: 6Y, 11N); Al Oliver, 18 (DHB: 6Y, 12N); Vada Pinson, 17 (DHB: 3Y, 14N); Allie Reynolds, 15 (DHB: 5Y, 10N); Al Rosen, 11 (DHB: 2Y, 8N, 1N/A); Urban Shocker, 11 (DHB: 2Y, 9N); Rusty Staub, 13 (DHB: 2Y, 11N); Vern Stephens, 13 (DHB: 4Y, 8N, 1N/A); Dave Stieb, 19 (DHB: 7Y, 12N); Harry Stovey, 15 (DHB: 11Y, 4N); Darryl Strawberry, 16 (DHB: 1Y, 15N); Fernando Valenzuela, 13 (DHB: 4Y, 9N); George Van Haltren, 10 (DHB: 8Y, 2N); Robin Ventura, 16 (DHB: 4Y, 12N); Maury Wills, 17 (DHB: 6Y, 11N);
Players who received 5-9 votes: Babe Adams, 9 (DHB: 3Y, 6N); Kevin Appier, 5 (DHB: 0Y, 5N); Dusty Baker, 5 (DHB: 1Y, 4N); Don Baylor, 7 (DHB: 0Y, 7N); Charlie Bennett, 6 (DHB: 6Y, 0N); Wally Berger, 6 (DHB: 1Y, 4N, 1N/A); Bob Boone, 6 (DHB: 1Y, 4N, 1NA); Larry Bowa, 5 (DHB: 0Y, 5N); Charlie Buffington, 7 (DHB: 3Y, 4N); Brett Butler, 6 (DHB: 0Y, 6N); Cesar Cedeno, 9 (DHB: 1Y, 7N, 1N/A); Cupid Childs, 6 (DHB: 4Y, 2N); Vince Coleman, 6 (DHB: 0Y, 6N); Gavvy Cravath, 7 (DHB: 4Y, 3N); Willie Davis,* 9 (DHB: 3Y, 6N); Mike Donlin, 5 (DHB: 0Y, 5N); Larry Doyle,* 5 (DHB: 1Y, 3N, 1N/A); Cecil Fielder, 7 (DHB: 2Y, 5N); George Foster, 9 (DHB: 0Y, 9N); Carl Furillo, 8 (DHB: 0Y, 8N); Ken Griffey Sr., 8 (DHB: 0Y, 8N); Dick Groat,* 6 (DHB: 0Y, 6N); Heinie Groh, 7 (DHB: 3Y, 4N); Pedro Guerrero, 7 (DHB: 1Y, 6N); Ozzie Guillen, 5 (DHB: 2Y, 3N); Mel Harder, 7 (DHB: 1Y, 6N); Tommy Henrich, 5 (DHB: 0Y, 5N); Paul Hines, 7 (DHB: 5Y, 2N); Dummy Hoy, 5 (DHB: 4Y, 1N); Bo Jackson, 5 (DHB: 2Y, 3N); Home Run Johnson, 8 (DHB: 8Y, 0N); David Justice, 7 (DHB: 0Y, 7N); Dave Kingman, 6 (DHB: 1Y, 5N); Harvey Kuenn, 6 (DHB: 1Y, 5N); Sam Leever, 6 (DHB: 1Y, 5N); Dick Lundy, 6 (DHB: 6Y, 0N); Pepper Martin, 6 (DHB: 4Y, 2N); Dennis Martinez, 8 (DHB: 1Y, 7N); Tino Martinez, 5 (DHB: 0Y, 5N); Willie McGee, 7 (DHB: 3Y, 4N); Tug McGraw, 7 (DHB: 1Y, 6N); Denny McLain, 6 (DHB: 0Y, 6N); Cal McVey, 5 (DHB: 4Y, 1N); Kevin Mitchell,* 5 (DHB: 0Y, 5N); Bobby Murcer, 8 (DHB: 0Y, 8N); Alejandro Oms, 6 (DHB: 5Y, 1N); Deacon Phillippe, 6 (DHB: 1Y, 5N); Spottswood Poles, 5 (DHB: 3Y, 2N); Boog Powell, 8 (DHB: 0Y, 8N); Ted Radcliffe,* 7 (DHB: 5Y, 2N); Jeff Reardon, 5 (DHB: 1Y, 4N); Jimmy Ryan, 7 (DHB: 4Y, 3N); Wally Schang,* 5 (DHB: 3Y, 2N); Jimmy Sheckard, 5 (DHB: 1Y, 4N); Ken Singleton, 8 (DHB: 1Y, 6N, 1N/A); Joe Start, 6 (DHB: 4Y, 2N); Ezra Sutton, 8 (DHB: 6Y, 2N); Frank Tanana, 9 (DHB: 2Y, 7N); Gene Tenace,** 5 (DHB: 3Y, 2N); Frank White, 9 (DHB: 1Y, 8N); Matt Williams, 9 (DHB: 0Y, 9N); Wilbur Wood, 7 (DHB: 1Y, 6N)
Everyone else who received at least one vote: Joe Adcock, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Edgardo Alfonzo,* 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Matty Alou, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Buzz Arlett,* 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Dick Bartell, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Hank Bauer, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Mark Belanger, 2 0Y, 2N); William Bell Sr., ** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Joe Black, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Tommy Bond, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Bret Boone, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Lyman Bostock,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Tommy Bridges,** 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Lew Burdette, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Ellis Burks, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); George J Burns, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Jeff Burroughs, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Dolph Camilli, 2 (DHB: 1Y, 1N); Vinny Castilla,* 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Phil Cavarretta, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Ben Chapman, 2 (DHB: 1Y, 1N); Hal Chase, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Harlond Clift, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N. Editor’s note: Clift appeared on the ballot as “Harold Clift”); Cecil Cooper, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Wilbur Cooper, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Walker Cooper, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Jim Creighton, 4 (DHB: 3Y, 1N); Lave Cross, 3 (DHB: 2Y, 1N); Jose Cruz Sr., 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Mike Cuellar, 4 (DHB: 0Y, 4N); Al Dark, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Jake Daubert, 3 (DHB: 1Y, 2N); Bingo DeMoss,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); John Donaldson, 4 (DHB: 3Y, 1N); Patsy Donovan, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Brian Downing, 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Luke Easter,* 3 (DHB: 1Y, 2N); Bob Elliott, 4 (DHB: 3Y, 1N. Editor’s note: Elliott appeared on the ballot as “Bob Elliot”); Del Ennis, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Carl Everett,* 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Ferris Fain,* 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Chuck Finley, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Freddie Fitzsimmons, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Jack Fournier,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Dave Foutz,** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Bud Fowler,* 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Ned Garver,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Mike Griffin,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Charlie Grimm, 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Marquis Grissom, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Guy Hecker, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Ken Henderson,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Tom Henke, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); John Hiller,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Tommy Holmes,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Ken Holtzman, 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Willie Horton,* 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Larry Jackson, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Charley Jones, 3 (DHB: 3Y, 0N); Sad Sam Jones, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Brian Jordan,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Wally Joyner, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Terry Kennedy,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Jimmy Key, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Darryl Kile,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Silver King,** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Johnny Kling, 3 (DHB: 2Y, 1N); Mark Langston,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Don Larsen, 4 (DHB: 0Y, 4N); Vern Law** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Tommy Leach, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Bill Lee,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Al Leiter, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Duffy Lewis, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Jose Lima,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Herman Long, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Davey Lopes, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 2N, 1N/A); Javy Lopez,* 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Dolf Luque,* 2 (DHB: 2Y, 0N); Greg Luzinski, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Sal Maglie, 4 (DHB: 2Y, 2N); Firpo Marberry,* 3 (DHB: 3Y, 0N); Oliver Marcelle,** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Marty Marion, 4 (DHB: 2Y, 2N); Mike Matheny,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Bobby Mathews, 2 (DHB: 2Y, 0N); Dick McBride,* 2 (DHB: 2Y, 0N); Frank McCormick, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Gil McDougald,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Sam McDowell,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Stuffy McInnis, 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Ed McKean, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Dave McNally, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Hal McRae, 3 (DHB: 1Y, 2N); Bob Meusel, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Clyde Milan, 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Bill Monroe,** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Dobie Moore, 2 (DHB: 2Y, 0N); Terry Mulholland,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Buddy Myer, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Robb Nen, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Bill Nicholson, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Joe Niekro, 3 (DHB: 1Y, 2N); Tip O’Neill, 4 (DHB: 2Y, 2N); Paul O’Neill,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Jesse Orosco,* 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Dave Orr, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Amos Otis, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Joe Page,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Lance Parrish,* 4 (DHB: 0Y, 3N, 1N/A); Dickey Pearce, 3 (DHB: 2Y, 1N); Jim Perry, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Bruce Petway,** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Lip Pike, 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Johnny Podres,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Jack Powell, 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Vic Power,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Jack Quinn, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Dick Redding,** 2 (DHB: 2Y, 0N); J.R. Richard,* 4 (DHB: 0Y, 4N); Hardy Richardson, 3 (DHB: 3Y, 0N); Dave Righetti, 4 (DHB: 0Y, 4N); Red Rolfe, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Schoolboy Rowe, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Joe Rudi, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Pete Runnels,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Johnny Sain, 2 (DHB: 2Y, 0N); Tim Salmon,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Manny Sanguillen, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Herb Score, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Mike Scott, 3 (DHB: 0Y, 3N); Cy Seymour, 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Roy Sievers, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Germany Smith, (DHB: 1 0Y, 1N); Chino Smith,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Al Spalding,** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N. Editor’s note: Spalding is in the Hall of Fame as a pioneer/executive, though my voter suggested he should also be there as a player); Riggs Stephenson, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Jack Stivetts,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Jesse Tannehill,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Kent Tekulve,* 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Frank Thomas (’62 Mets),* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Roy Thomas,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Robby Thompson,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Bobby Thomson, 2 (DHB: 1Y, 1N); Luis Tiant Sr.,* 2 (DHB: 1Y, 1N); Cecil Travis, 3 (DHB: 1Y, 1N, 1N/A); Hal Trosky, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Quincy Trouppe, 4 (DHB: 4Y, 0N); Jose Uribe,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Johnny Vander Meer, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Mo Vaughn, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Hippo Vaughn,* 4 (DHB: 0Y, 4N); Bobby Veach, 4 (DHB: 0Y, 4N); Mickey Vernon, 4 (DHB: 2Y, 2N); Fleet Walker, 3 (DHB: 1Y, 2N); Dixie Walker, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Bucky Walters, 4 (DHB: 1Y, 3N); Lon Warneke, 2 (DHB: 1Y, 1N); Ed Wesley, 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Gus Weyhing, 2 (DHB: 2Y, 0N. Editor’s note: Weyhing appeared on the ballot as Guy Weyhing); Roy White, 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Ken Williams, 4 (DHB: 0Y, 4N); Cy Williams, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Ned Williamson,** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Willie Wilson,** 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N); Nip Winters,** 1 (DHB: 1Y, 0N); Todd Worrell, 2 (DHB: 0Y, 2N); Rudy York, 3 (DHB: 1Y, 2N); Eric Young,* 1 (DHB: 0Y, 1N)
Appeared on the ballot, didn’t receive any votes: Dale Alexander, Bobby Avila*, Jeromy Burnitz*, George H Burns, Ollie Carnegie*, Jack Coombs, Roy Cullenbine*, Jim Davenport, Paul Derringer, Kelly Downs*, Mark Eichhorn*, Scott Erickson*, Carl Erskine, Jeff Fassero*, Bob Friend, Scott Garrelts*, Jim Gentile, Hank Gowdy, Danny Graves*, Rick Helling*, Pete Hughes*, Sam Jackson*, Sam Jethroe, Smead Jolley*, Davy Jones*, Doug Jones*, Bill Joyce, Joe Judge, Benny Kauff*, Ken Keltner, Mike LaCoss*, Carney Lansford, Matt Lawton*, Bob Locker*, Elliot Maddox, Candy Maldonado*, Sadie McMahon*, Irish Meusel, Wally Moon, Wally Moses, Bill Mueller*, Jeff Nelson*, Phil Nevin*, Mel Parnell, Larry Parrish*, Camilo Pascual*, Brad Radke, Joe Randa, Mike Remlinger*, Ernie Riles*, Don Robinson*, Felix Rodriguez*, Ruben Sierra*, George Stone, Dizzy Trout, Vic Wertz, Will White, Tony Womack*, Tim Worrell*
* is used to denote who was new to my ballot this year
** is used to denote who was a write-in
Editor’s note: I hand counted all ballots and made a few judgment calls as editor. First, I corrected for misspellings on some ballots. Also, some voters put Y’s for the “Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?” feature or made clear who they wanted to vote for it but neglected to put N’s. I inferred they meant to have N’s in those cases. I also allowed a couple of 49-player ballots, since I didn’t want to disallow hard work by voters simply due to a minor mistake.
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- Wayne Horiuchi, avid sports card collector who has one of the most extensive game-used/autograph Hall of Fame collections in America. Second-year voter.
- Brad Howerter, reader.
- Jason Hunt of MLB Daily Dish and Fake Teams. Second-year voter.
- Chris Jensen, SABR member, Seamheads author.
- Kevin Johnson, Seamheads author.
- George Kurtz, reader, member of the Fantasy Sports Writers Association.
- Albert Lang of h2h Corner.
- Domenic Lanza of Sliding Into Home and Row Three, law student.
- Jimmy Leiderman, SABR member, 19th century photography researcher. Second-year voter.
- Patrick Mackin, reader, Cleveland-based attorney.
- Ken Marcum of The Baseball Hall of Shame, BBA member.
- Andrew Martin of The Baseball Historian.
- Michael Martin, reader.
- Chris Mascaro, Seamheads author.
- Dan McCloskey of Left Field, SABR and BBA member. Second-year voter.
- Robert McConnell, reader. Second-year voter.
- Ryan McCrystal of Wahoo’s Warriors, SABR member. Second-year voter.
- Keith Menges, reader.
- Stefano Micolitti of Milan, Italy. Briefly wrote for Italian baseball publication, Tuttobaseball e softball in the 1980s.
- Bill Miller of The On Deck Circle. Second-year voter.
- Andrew Milner, member of SABR and Baseball Think Factory. Second-year voter.
- Jonathan Mitchell of MLB Dirt, BBA member.
- Dave Mowers, reader.
- Brian Moynahan of Bus Leagues Baseball.
- Tim Newey, reader.
- Dan O’Connor, past SABR member.
- John Perricone of Only Baseball Matters.
- Jeff Polman of braggingleague.wordpress.com, funkyball.wordpress.com, and 1924andyouarethere.blogspot.com. SABR and BBA member.
- Kevin Porter, reader.
- Alex Putterman, contributor to this Website, just admitted early decision as a journalism student at Northwestern.
- John Quemere, reader.
- Dave Rattigan, reader.
- Josh Robbins, set a world record in 2008 by seeing a game in all 30 Major League Baseball stadiums in 26 days by car. Contributes to Seamheads and 60ft6in.
- Mike Robinson, member of Baseball Think Factory.
- Dave Rook, reader.
- Marcus Ruiz, reader.
- Bob Sawyer, reader. Second-year voter.
- Peter Schiller of Baseball Reflections, SABR and BBA member. Second-year voter.
- Gabriel Schechter of Never Too Much Baseball. SABR member and contributed an outstanding piece on the eccentric, doomed Charles “Victory” Faust for the Baseball Biography Project.
- Bart Silberman, founder and president at Moonlight Graham Records.
- Mark Simon, ESPN.com researcher and contributor. Second-year voter.
- Louis Smith, family friend of Smoky Joe Wood.
- Zubin Sumariwalla, reader.
- Tom Thrash of He Knew He Was Right.
- Vinnie, heavyweight champion of readers. Second-year voter.
- Gregg Volz, working on a screenplay about Smoky Joe Wood.
- Jonathan Wagner, reader. Self-described “Strat-O-Matic freak with too much free time.” Once sponsored Terry Mulholland’s Baseball-Reference.com page under a pseudonym. Somehow wasn’t responsible for Mulholland’s one vote here.
- Ed White, former sportswriter.
- Josh Wilker of Cardboard Gods and the 2010 book of the same name (I highly recommend it.) Second-year voter.
- Joe Williams, chair of the Overlooked 19th Century Baseball Legends Project, Nineteenth Century Committee, SABR. Second-year voter.
- David Wood, grandson of Smoky Joe Wood.
- Jena Yamada, reader. Second-year voter, sole female to participate this year.
- Tom Zocco of The Stats of Zoc, SABR member since 1971.
How people voted
I launched this project last year in part because I was unsatisfied that posts on the best players not in the Hall of Fame often rely on the opinion of whoever wrote them or some all-powerful stat like Wins Above Replacement. Neither approach is infallible, though that’s not always apparent from reading the posts or forum discussions they spawn. I wanted something more inclusive that would yield fresh results. What resulted here last year was a project that offered a hybrid of the opinion and WAR-based approaches, with some healthy doses of irrationality thrown in.
We had a range of different voters in the first iteration of the project, and this year was more of the same. To my knowledge, our oldest voter is 73, while our youngest is a senior in high school. We have voters who relied on metrics like WAR or Career Win Shares, others who favored overlooked 19th century players, and still plenty more voters who went in their own directions with picks (Vida Blue, yes, Jeff Bagwell, no, that sort of thing.) Me, I used a little of all three approaches, and I have no problem with people voting however they like. I think it’s more engaging to feature a range of opinions, and I believe that so long as enough people vote and do so independently, stuff gets evened out in the end.
To show our diversity, I asked a few of my voters to share how they voted. I’ll let them take it from here:
Adam Darowski: “I’ve always been interested in combining my love of the Hall of Fame and my love of statistics, so over the last year or so I’ve been building a formula that attempts to rank players by how good their Hall of Fame cases are. It is based on the version of WAR available on Baseball-Reference.com. I call it Weighted WAR, or wWAR. It takes a player’s career WAR and adjusts it for season length (which aids 19th century players), peak performance (which aids a player like Sandy Koufax while hurting someone like Tommy John), and postseason performance (based on a weighted version of Win Probability Added). I’ve created a site for the Hall of wWAR where you can see who gets in, see who gets bumped from the Hall, or read more about the methodology.”
George Haloulakos: “Regarding the process I used for my selection of great players in your survey/poll, here were the criteria: (1) Positive role model for how the game should be played, (2) Helping the team win, (3) Playing well in ‘big’ games and/or having impact on pennant races, (4) Dominating presence in the era in which played. Essentially, it was a blend of qualitative and quantitative thought.”
Mike Robinson: “A couple of things. I tend to look for a combination of career + peak but if it comes down to it, I favor career. I also tend to favor positions generally underrepresented in the real Hall. It is easier for a catcher to get on my ballot than a first baseman. The standards, particularly with the bat, are just higher at first and the OF positions. Also, I did not pick any of the Negro League players. Obviously some of them would be in the top 50 but I simply don’t know much at all about them. If I picked any, I would just be guessing. So, unfortunately, I choose not to consider them.”
Ed White: “This was not an easy task, as I tried to use not only statistical analysis but also subjective analysis of players’ skills from watching them live or on TV. In some cases, there were probably some players with better statistics whom I did not include because I thought others were better overall players and had a bigger impact on the game at the time they played than others who might have had better statistics. The best example of this is probably Jim Rice, who was probably the most feared hitter in the AL for many years, but who did not get in to the HOF for many years because of his ill-advised comments that he deserved to be in.”
“There are a few players whom I absouletely loved to watch play and who were very good but sadly were not HOF players when you consider others. My favorite player as a kid was Roy White, the only major leaguer with the same last name as mine at the time and a very good player for my favorite team, the New York Yankees. But although he was a solid player, he is not a Hall of Famer when you consider the other players whose statistics and skills were better than his. While I would love to see Roy and my other favorite players make the Hall, I reserve my votes for the absolute best of the game, no matter what kind of people they were.”
Daniel Greenia, second-year voter: “My big difference with the consensus last year was in my support of 19th century players. In my opinion, the ‘National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum’ needs to start taking that last word seriously. They have never made a serious attempt to identify and enshrine all of the greats from the first generation of professional ball players, 1865-89. Along with four inaugural HoMers (Hall of Merit members), players I voted for from this era are Charlie Bennett, Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, Jack Glasscock, Cal McVey, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Harry Stovey and Ezra Sutton.”
Bob Brichetto: “My list is heavily Hall of Merit influenced. I am not a voter for the Hall of Merit but I’ve been following it for several years now and think it’s pretty damn awesome… I have left off players who are in the Hall of Merit in favor of some that I think should be in the Hall of Merit… but not very many!”
“As for the yes or no to whether I think they should be in the Hall of Fame, I’m going to have to say yes to all 50. For real. I presume that is an extreme stance for your project so I feel like I should briefly explain. Again, this is largely due to my following the Hall of Merit functioning on the assumption that the size of the Hall of Fame is a given and therefore trying to fill it with the best “X” players there are. So I’m not presuming that the worst player at each position is the baseline (if I did that I don’t even want to think how big it would be). What I want would be for the Hall of Fame to be broken up into tiers of greatness… and not permanently. Meaning that someone could move between 2nd and 3rd tier depending on whatever source of the tiers votes in whatever year.”
Paul Dylan: “I’m a super-big hall guy, and I believe the BBWAA should be willing to elect players to the HoF who contributed to the game uniquely but weren’t necessarily one of the greatest baseball players – kind of like the Baseball Reliquary, only not so gimmicky. Curt Flood, Dummy Hoy, and Buck O’Neill deserve plaques for their contributions as trailblazers and ambassadors for the game. Bo Jackson, I believe, deserves a plaque in the Hall of Fame for athletic prowess second to none (outside of Jim Thorpe, maybe), and, as for Don Larsen, I think that if you throw a perfect game in the World Series you should get a free pass into Cooperstown. What greater achievement could there be? Maybe to throw 2 perfect games in the World Series, I guess.”
“The point is, I don’t think one should have to be one of the ‘best players’ per se to be elected into the Hall of Fame. I think whether or not someone is one of the best players not in the Hall of Fame is a very different question than should this player be in the Hall of Fame.”
As the second year of this annual project draws to a close, I’m already looking ahead to next year. Certain core things in place with our setup seem to work, and I doubt they’ll change as long as I’m running things. I like the project being about 50 players. I think it’s important all votes keep counting equally, with no ranking system ever that could allow a few people to game it and push a player up the list. I want to stick to my policy of not lobbying for people to vote for anyone. And I always want my project to be free and easy to participate in and online.
All this being said, I’m looking at a few tweaks for next year. First and foremost, I’d like to automate as much of the voting process as possible, since I estimate it took about 45 hours to count ballots this year. I’d like to be able to focus more on writing and have a quicker turnaround time once voting closes. To that end, I’m considering a couple of online survey sites, and if anyone has any ideas, please let me know. I don’t know if all voting would be done strictly via the Web. I’d like to get Major League Baseball vets and BBWAA members involved and am considering offering paper ballots for them or anyone with a disability.
Otherwise though, I’m pleased with how things came out and want to thank everyone who voted or even just offered interest or support. This project wouldn’t be half as fun or interesting or have a life of its own if I was flying solo. Having other people involved makes this thing what it is. I hope everyone returns next year, and if anyone reading would like to vote as well, please, join us. I already see two big reasons to vote next year: Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens will be on the ballot.
UPDATE, 1/6/2014: VERSION 4.0 OF THIS PROJECT IS OUT (and here’s Version 3.0)
79 Replies to “The 50 best baseball players not in the Hall of Fame, Version 2.0”
So, finals got the best of me, and I wasn’t able to vote. But I do think I can add a couple of things here. First of all, if the 86 voters of this project were to have been the actual BBWAA writers, a player would have needed 65 “yes” votes to make the Hall. The leader, Barry Larkin, received 64. So no one would have been enshrined, according to this electorate (though I add the caveat that if Larkin’s one n/a vote were changed to a “yes,” he would be enshrined.
Second, I put the top 50 in a spreadsheet and ordered it by “yes” votes, rather than by total number of ballots. Really interesting stuff. Bill Dahlen and Bob Caruthers are helped by far the most – of the 37 total Dahlen voters, 31 said yes to the Hall. For Caruthers, it was 23 of 28.
Also, if you check the percentage of people who would have been elected according only to the people who voted for them (in other words, Larkin is not compared against 86, but rather 75, for each person who made a decision one way or the other about the Hall), 10 players reached the 75% threshold: Tim Raines (86.1%), Ron Santo (85.7%), Barry Larkin (85.3%), Jeff Bagwell (83.8%), Bill Dahlen (83.8%), Bob Caruthers (82.1%), Edgar Martinez (78.3%), Joe Jackson (77.6%), Pete Rose (77.1%), and Alan Trammell (77.1%). Lou Whitaker (72.1%) would have just missed.
Finally, 11 players had 43 or more “yes” votes for the Hall of Fame. That is, half of the voters thought these guys belonged in. Here they are, with the total number of “yes” votes: Barry Larkin (64), Jeff Bagwell (62), Tim Raines (62), Ron Santo (60), Joe Jackson (59), Pete Rose (54), Alan Trammell (54), Edgar Martinez (54), Dick Allen (46), Lou Whitaker (44), and Joe Torre (43). Rose and Trammell both received 54 “yes” votes, and were named on 70 ballots. Edgar was on only 69, preventing a perfect 3-way tie.
Great job with the project, Graham, and I hope to vote next year. Also, thanks to all the voters who have given me so much awesome material to read!
As the sole voter for Lipman Pike, apparently I’ll need to make the case for his induction. I’ll post in this space when it’s ready.
Thanks for putting this together.
Graham, again, as last year, you did a terriffic job on your project which I found fascinating and compelling. Keep up the good work!!
Really interesting what the collective vote of the 86 came up with.
Thanks Graham for the amazing effort you put forth to tally all these votes in such detail. It could not have been an easy task. 45 hours! Whew!! You must have had some bleary eyed late nights!
A tally site would be a great solution for this– as I’m sure this opportunity to vote on this ever-growing and changing talented list of players (the great, very good and good) will grow.
Graham, congrats for finishing all the tallying, and thanks for doing this project again this year. I look forward to going through the bios and votes. Glad I was able to resist the urge to vote for the rest of the ’89 Giants. 🙂
Great job, Graham! Thanks for all the hard work getting this done. It’s awesome to see the results and I look forward to reading this in more detail over the next couple days.
A few early observations (I plan on doing some more analysis of these results):
1. I can’t believe Dwight Evans finished in the Top 10. I think he belongs in the Hall of Fame. I put him in the Hall of wWAR. He’s better than Jim Rice. But still, I can’t believe he’s in the Top 10. Is this the start of a push for him to get enshrined?
2. Jack Morris dropped out of the Top 50. That’s kind of major. And it’s progress.
3. Luis Tiant was considered the best starting pitcher not in the Hall of Fame (and he barely made the Top 20). It’s true—the hitters outside of the Hall are much better than the pitchers outside of the Hall. While I’m not sure I’d put Tiant #1, I have him near the top.
4. The first player listed who is not part of my Hall of wWAR is Don Mattingly (tied for 22nd).
5. Ken Boyer’s ranking is encouraging. He just might be the best third baseman outside of the Hall now (I believe it’s between him, Sal Bando, and Deacon White).
6. Bill Dahlen and Bob Caruthers rank too low, but it’s encouraging to see them rank at all. It’s easy to neglect 19th century players. Deacon White also received 20 votes, which was a good job by this crew.
That’s it for now. I hope to follow up soon!
Luis Tiant, and Tommy John, the top 2 pitchers on the list were inexorably linked July 17, 1964, when TJ gave up 9 runs in the first inning in Kansas City (after the Indians had scored 7 in the top half of the inning). He was sent to Portland after the game, and Luis was brought up. He had been 15-1 at Portland! He shut out Whitey Ford and the Yankees on July 19, 3-0 on 4 hits, 4 BB, and 11 SO. The 2 would not be sent down to the minors again. When TJ was called up in September, they were teammates on the staff that set the AL strikeout record, the first to SO over 1100 and 7 per 9 innings in history.
As someone who loves Bob Caruthers, I agree wholeheartedly with Adam.
I was also surprised at Donnie Baseball (he didnt appear on my ballot), but look at his peak and he has an argument (http://h2hcorner.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/h2h-corner-check-you-out-on-the-flip-side-don-mattingly/).
Great work, Graham! Voters: let’s up the support for Dolf Luque, alright? 🙂
Awesome work! Disagree with many of the rankings, compared to how I ranked it, but interesting to see the results of a larger group.
I wish Dahlen would have ranked higher. I don’t think people realize how ahead of the game he was.
Also find it odd that a lot of people lower in the ranking have more “Yes” HOF votes than some ahead of them in the rankings. Will Clark has 15 yes votes and ranked #14 but Wes Ferrell has 15 and rankes tied for 45th. Nothing wrong with this just find it odd.
I don’t understand Billy Pierce’s absence on any list like this.
While this is a nicely done piece of work, I don’t agree with where some of the placements are at. Specifically:
1) Steve Garvey should be sixth on the list. Garvey played in the modern “dead ball era”, had only dumpy .250 hitting Ron Cey hitting behind him in the lineup and yet was one of the most feared clutch hitters of his era;
2) Although Albert Belle has the personality of an angered rattlesnake, he was hands donw one of the best hitters ever for any consecutive 10 year period during a career;
3) Had Tommy John not lost over a year due to majpr groundbreaking surgery, he would have made the 300 win club and like Don Sutton before him, would not be in the hall of fame; and
4) Vada Pinson is a glaring omission. Had Pinson not played in the same era as Mickey, Willie and the Duke, he would have made the Hall of Fame a long time ago.
The baseball HOF is not affiliated directly with MLB. The HOF in my opinion should be as much for us fans as the players who make it. What should be done is that one yes/no super ballot should be created for the veterans committee similar to what was done a few years ago that inducted over a dozen past overlooked players from when baseball was still in its’ infancy.
Sorry to see such limited support for Indian Bob Johnson. Johnson was an All-Star 7 times in his career, had a 138 OPS+, had 13 full seasons and never had a bad or even average year. His lowest OPS+ was 124, which he had in his last season.
He was in the Top 8 in SLG% in 10 of his 13 years and Top 10 in OPS+ in 10 years as well.
I’m with Pat Sopko. I wonder if Billy Pierce would already be in the Hall of Fame if they’d called him Catfish or Rube. Or Hawkeye.
Anyway, Graham, I love the idea and the execution, and I’d really like to vote in the future. I’d have Bagwell at the top of the list, with Pierce and Kevin Brown much higher than the group has them. Stan Hack would make an appearance as well. How do I get a ballot next year?
Thanks so much for the nice comments so far. I wanted to respond to some things that have been said:
1) Billy Pierce very nearly made the Top 50 last year. He, Pete Browning, David Cone, and Dave Concepcion tied for the final two spots. Cone and Concepcion prevailed in a run-off and then made the Top 50 again this year, while Browning and Pierce plummeted in the rankings. I wonder if the result this year would’ve been different if Pierce and Browning had prevailed last year.
2) I definitely agree that Vada Pinson is underrated. I wrote about him recently for a series I do on Thursdays where I look at how a player would’ve done in another era. I projected that Pinson could have been a star of the 1970s and ’80s.
3) Indian Bob Johnson made progress this year. I neglected to put him on last year’s ballot, and he only got five votes. This year, he had 15.
4) Anyone who’s interested can vote in next year’s project. Please feel free to leave a comment here or email me at email@example.com.
Ah, Billy Pierce. He made the first version of my Hall of wWAR, but missed the cut when I revamped the formula.
Ah, Steve Garvey. I have to say I’d put Ron Cey in before I’d put Steve Garvey in.
Guys like Vada Pinson make me realize just how many great players there are outside the Hall of Fame. He’s great, but I still wouldn’t put him in the Top 50. It’s surprisingly hard to trim the list to just 50. Bob Johnson is another one. Great player, but I couldn’t get him in my Top 50.
My Top 50 was essentially the top 50 listed here (minus Spalding and McGraw, who are in but not as players): http://darowski.com/hall-of-wwar/#whos-in
There are so many variables when it comes to HOF eligibility that are seldom written about:
1) Without extrapolating, how can you compare the stats from baseball players the same way era to era? Consider the following: Quirky “band box” ballparks prior to the ’70’s built at the time to conform to property lines, a much higher pitchers mound, the advent of the modern day era “specialty relievers” and (at the time), the insignificance of attaining “automatic stats” for entry to the hall of fame (i.e., 300 wins, 3000 hits, the pre-roid era of 500 HR’s, etc.)?;
2) Living hall of famers mostly total resistance to electing still living new hall of famers (like Mike Schmitt who clearly wants to protect his autograph signing appearance fees). Ron Santo finally got elected to the Hall of Fame, sadly because he finally passes away. It’s just a sham!;
3) Writers voting on players who they rarely saw play, either because they were too young to pass judgement on former players and/or were in a one league city;
4) The gross imbalance by position of players in the Hall of Fame. With rare exceptions such as Bill Mazerowski and Nellie Fox, defense (a critical component in baseball), is largely ignored unless someone like Ozzie Smith, who had tremendous star power, is in the mix. The stats craze has clearly discriminated against great fielding infielders;
5) The lack of representation of players from different decades and eras. Shouldn’t there be more players per era/decade represented in the Hall? After all, they were the best of the best during the time that they played;
6) Political correctness: If Steve Garvey were of Hispanic decent, he’d be in the Hall of Fame just as Orlando Cepeda and Tony Perez are. Garrvey was “protected” in the lineup by .250 hitting slow Ron Cey. Perez had a lineup of HOF’ers surrounding him. Cepeda had Mays and Mc Covery hitting around him. Come on people., let’s get real here!
7) During the ’50’s, New York had 18 daily newspapers which resulted in a heavy bias towards players who played in New York City who the writers who were voting were far more familiar with than players from small market bottom feeder teams. Due to the reserve clause, some of these great players (like Vada Pinson), were totally ignored because they were on perennial losing clubs;
8) Writer personal prejudices have hurt players like Richie Allen, Albert Belle and Steve Garvey. That’s reason enough to strip the writers of having an exclusive vote IMO. Heck, Ted Williams missed out on the MVP award the year he broke .400 simply because a couple of Boston writers who carried a grudge against him kept him totally off their ballots;
9) Hall of Fame status shouldn’t be about longevity, or Don Sutton wouldn’t be in the Hall; and
10) The Veteran’s Committee now meeting only once every 3 years for baseball’s “golden era” is a total slap in the face to us fans. Who really gives one happy damn about players from baseball’s infancy or executives getting elected, as happens in the years when the actual players that many of us know and have seen play are eligible forr election?
@Jack– Ron Cey and Steve Garvey actually had near-identical adjusted offensive production (OPS+) ratings for their years in LA: 125 for Cey and 124 for Garvey. Both were above-average offensively, even if Cey’s .261 lifetime batting average would suggest otherwise.
It’s definitely possible to compare players between different eras. The key is to make adjustments for context since, you’re right, the game has changed a lot over the years. Probably the best way to make the comparisons is to see how players from different eras did relative to their peers. In essence, if Dick Allen hit 30 percent better than the National League during his career, he might compare to someone who hit that much better than his circuit in the 1920s, regardless of whether Allen and this player had far different traditional stats (that’s to be expected, really.)
OPS+ is a great stat for this, ERA+ a good one on the pitching end. Wins Above Replacement (WAR) can be useful, too, though it seems to have some limitations.
Jack Morris not being included is a joke. 4 world series rings. WS MVP. Pitched the greatest game in WS history. If that was for the Yankees, he would have been in the hall years ago.
It’s a joke.
@JT – Jack Morris pitched terribly for the Blue Jays in the playoffs in 1992. In fact, one might say they won the World Series in spite of him. In 1993, he was so awful they left him off of the playoff roster entirely. So while he may have four WS rings, it’s not really fair to use that as credit for his HoF case.
Furthermore, the playoffs are only a very small part of the HoF equation. Even though he may have pitched (and won) one of the greatest playoff games in history, one game does not justify induction into the Hall of Fame.
@JT – Why isn’t Don Larsen in the Hall of Fame, then?
If Jack Morris got in, he’d have to share his plaque with Trammell and Whitaker.
@Jack Lucas: I would most certainly count myself as someone who “really gives one happy damn about player’s from baseball’s infancy”. I’m MUCH MORE interested in a Hall of Fame that covers the history of the game rather than one that focuses on players I remember. Speaking of which… Steve Garvey. As a young baseball fan starting in 1980 Steve Garvey was my favorite player. But Steve Garvey in the Hall of Fame? I really hope not! I think Cepeda and Perez are borderline selections but I also think they had clearly better careers than Steve Garvey (just as I believe Ron Cey did) and don’t believe Garvey’s exclusion and their inclusion has anything to do with political correctness.
Speaking of “old timers” I’m pleased to see both Dahlen and Caruthers made the top 50 this time (and think they should be higher) and hope to see more “old timers” on the list next year! (Wow, what a crowded ballot that’s going to be next year for the Hall of Fame with: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza, Sammy Sosa, Curt Schilling, and Kenny Lofton all first year players).
My hat if off to a really valuable piece of work. Clearly this is a labor of love for Graham.
We owe him the proverbial debt of gratitude for taking the time to do a very hard job, and do it well. All of us can have hours of enjoyment reviewing the votes and arguing about what they mean.
The issue of who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame is a timely issue as America examines what our values are, what kind of country we want to be, and where we want to go. What kind of Hall of Fame do we want, what values should be enshined, and what men typify those qualities?
Baseball has always helped us escape the day to day drudgery of our lives and remember the youth we once knew. Our youth was a simpler time, a time of memories, hope and joy. Baseball reconnects us to these memories.
Just as men with great minds have examined baseball in the past-Larry Ritter, Leonard Koppett, Wilfrid Sheed, Roger Angell – we need to continue their analysis of the game and make our contribution to the game. If democracy is good for our political system it is worth giving it a try in picking the players whose careers and lives we value. Fans have a right to have a voice in who goes into the Hall.
The legends of the game have a timeless element to them. Cy Young’s name has meant pitching greatness in three different centuries. Honus Wagner’s name has meant total baseball excellence in three different centuries. Do we doubt that when we reach the year 2100 these names will still be immortalized? No, they will never be forgotten and the Hall of Fame has rightly helped to ensure that.
We owe it to the spirit of the game, and to our American soul, to only honor these true greats. Yet to forget a baseball legend is also inexcusable. We can’t afford to lose the legacy of a great player, to have them swept away into the dustbin of history. Today, too little attention is paid to the early legends of the game. The lives of some of the forgotten ones can still be heard in the distance, but how much longer will their echos be audible? We owe it to them to tell their stories.
I wrote a post comparing this list to my wWAR metric. As expected, 19th century players are underrepresented. But the top of the list shows a great deal of agreement. http://t.co/tqxvghHI
Cool link! I enjoyed your article.
As well as your Hall of wWar. I apologize for not reading more from your site (where you probably answer these questions) but I have a couple questions: Do you do anything for time lost to war? I know the data is pretty sketchy but have you tried doing any estimates based on Negro League equivilancies? I presume that would be crazy difficult but had to ask!
Hey Bob, thanks!
Ah yes, value from time lost to war (warWAR, I could call it!). We talked about it a lot when I first released the Hall of wWAR. I could estimate it. And I go back and forth on it. Particularly, I think it would get Enos Slaughter (and perhaps a couple others) enshrined. But then I got to thinking… if I did that, then why not Negro League estimates? It’s just so hard to figure out where to draw the line.
I try to only reward based on events that actually happened. I want to make this as objective as possible (to be as little like the real Hall as possible in that sense). The place I deviate most from that is when I project the short schedules of the 19th century out to 162 games. I covered that here: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/9/7/2406964/hurt-by-their-era-the-effect-of-shorter-seasons-on-career-value
So, for now I stay clear. But I’m not 100% sold on that.
What a great article! I just saw this list, and wanted to include someone not mentioned but who should receive future consideration: Eddie Yost. Yost is one of the top ten leadoff hitters of all time, maybe top five, and one of the top third basemen of all time as well. I think these two factors easily make him one of the top ten “not in the hall” ballplayers.
Eddie Yost first hit the majors at the age of 17 in 1944 and never played a day in the minors. He led the AL in walks six times, posted over 100 walks 8 times, and retired with a career OBP of .394, which is still good for 84th all time, a career OBP higher than either Rod Carew or Tony Gwynn. He has more walks than any other player not in the hall of fame. On top of that, he’s still 10th all-time in games played at 3B and is still third all time in put outs at 3B. Most remarkable, he is still fifth all-time for games played as a lead off hitter. Finally, he played in the unfriendly to hitters cavern of Griffith Park for the Senators, he had enough power to set the record of 28 home runs to lead off a game (later broken by Bobby Bonds).
I think if you consider how a player dominates an aspect of the game or a position within a given era then the argument can be stated as he is one of the top third basemen in the AL of his time (of course all from that time are overshadowed by the NL’s Eddie Matthews); he is the best leadoff hitter of his time, Post WWII-early 1960s; his durability as a third basemen and leadoff hitter still have him at the top of those statistical categories in terms of overall games played and production, and that if he played in today’s game, his remarkable OBP would be better appreciated (over .400 nine times, a high of .440 in 1950). So, anyway, just wanted to draw attention to a player I think gets further overlooked every year.
I wonder if it would be better to switch to a ranked list for participants, and to give points for each place. I wonder if that would make the process better, or worse. I mean, take the votes for Dahlen and Caruthers. Now, since a lot of people who voted for them put them in the Hall, I’m guessing they were in the top ten on those people’s ballots (on average). Let’s say you had a scoring system in which scoring went 50 points for a 1st place vote, 49 for 2nd, etc., etc. Well, those votes for Dahlen or Caruthers that were worth 40 points would probably move them ahead of guys like Fred McGriff, Don Mattingly, and Bobby Bonds – no disrespect to those great players, but while they received more votes, I’m guessing they are votes of a lower quality (on average). Of course, this would create a lot more work for the voters, but it could make the results very interesting. Just a thought.
Perhaps when my project is much, much bigger, and I have an automated system for vote counting in place I’ll consider having some kind of ranking. For now, I don’t want anything that would allow a handful of people to game my system and push a player up the ranks. It isn’t fair to everyone else who votes or the integrity of my project.
I appreciate the thought nonetheless and also your very detailed first comment when my project first went live. It was good to know my project was engaging people, and I also appreciate you figuring out the percentages on Yes/No votes. I declined to include those for fear of creating confusion but I think your comment made for a good appendix.
Graham, you have done a terrific job. Comprehensive, and most importantly Integrity were the words that kept popping up. Of course I love John Perricone’s very aptly put dissertation on Mark McGwire.
Do you know any other websites, TV shows, or written publications that promote a similar process to give fans a vote and voice in establishing who has been unjustly left out of the Hall of Fame?
Good question. Baseball Think Factory has its own version of the Hall of Fame that I referenced a couple times in this post called the Hall of Merit. Without checking, I think anyone can vote in the elections for it each year. Some of the folks at Seamheads.com were talking for awhile about launching another alternate Hall of Fame that would be called the Seamheads Hall of Legends but I don’t know if that ever got off the ground.
On a side note, I’ll add that I got the idea for having this be voter-driven on a book by Len Berman called The 25 Greatest Baseball Players of All Time, where he used a “blue ribbon panel” of ex-baseball folk and media to determine his picks.
Would love to see international players who never played in the majors included somehow. Gotta think that Sadaharu Oh, Japan’s all-time HR leader, is worthy of consideration, and I’m sure that there are other Japanese players, as well as more than a few Cubans and other Carribean players who are worthy of discussion.
Thanks for your answer regarding wWar and estimated equivilancies, etc. I really enjoy reading about the Hall Of Merit partly at least because they DO factor that stuff in. But that is also a reason I am not a voting member for the Hall Of Merit… it’s just too darn difficult for me to come up with a system that I think actually can do all that! So I certainly understand why you aren’t including such things in the Hall of wWar!
Like Graham already responded, the baseballthinkfactory has the Hall Of Merit which currently has the discussion thread open for the 2012 election. If you are interested please check it out. I’m not a voter but I really enjoy reading the threads. Also, there is a yearly MVP-like project also done there called Most Meritous Player. I’m actually a voting member in that and would like to have more voters participating in that project.
Anyone questioning Jack Morris’s absence from this list can read this post.
In short: The biggest thing holding back Morris’s candidacy for Cooperstown is his 3.90 ERA. If he’d played in an era that would have offered him a lower ERA and a better shot at 300 wins, he’d probably already have his plaque.
Larry Walker and Duke Snider had nearly identical careers. Of everybody on the current ballot, Walker is the most overlooked by the people making the case for overlooked players. In a fair and just world, Walker should be entering Cooperstown this year alongside Barry Larkin and Tim Raines.
Please, let’s also talk about whom to vote OUT of the HOF. http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2011/01/who-would-you-vote-back-out-of-mlb-hof_03.html
Twelve years ago I tried to make a non-sabermetric case for Jack Morris:
As promised, here’s my case for Lipman Pike. Enjoy.
How can Dale Murphy be ranked so low, both here and by actual voters?
@Austin, he hit .265 lifetime with 398 career home runs at the most offensive of positions, so there’s not much of a case to be made based on traditional statistics. His OPS+ of 121 is very pedestrian for a 1B, and his defense and base-running weren’t all that special. And there’s certainly no signature postseason moment to boost his candidacy the way there is for Jack Morris. So I’m not sure he deserves respect from voters here or in the BBWA.
Just found this list, and I’ll come back to read it more-thoroughly later….but, after a scan — where’s Mike Greenwell? I’m not suggesting he should be a HOFer (I tend to fall in the more-exclusionary, much-higher standard camp), but I didn’t see his name anyplace, even in the “others receiving votes” section. Did I miss something? He had a pretty nice career, even with injuries taking a toll for the latter half.
I’m surprised at the amount of players I forgot both years I’ve done this project. Greenwell’s one of those guys. I watched him last night in a replay of Game 6 of the 1986 World Series– didn’t even know he was playing at the time. He blossomed into a good hitter later on, and while no Hall of Famer, he’s definitely worth remembering.
Besides Greenwell, the list of forgotten notables this year includes Gene Tenace, Tony Phillips, and Vic Raschi. Last year, I forgot Indian Bob Johnson and Eric Davis among others, and I know it had an effect on their votes. Johnson got three times as many votes this year, and Davis got 12 after not receiving so much as a write-in vote last year.
In time, I’d like to have a 500-player ballot, replete with Japanese players and better representation for pre-integration black players. Hopefully, my list of forgotten guys will be minimal.
Very informative.However I continue to believe that enough players have been elected to the HOF at each position that someone like Joe Torre would automatically be elected since his stats are greater than the stats of of nine current HOF(you named three)without the emotion generated by certain voters who don’t like certain eligible players. Jim Kaat with 288 wins would automatically be selected.The fans would be happy and the Tom ,Dick and Harry’s would be denied their claim to the past which to a baseball fan is destructive.Harold Baines and Edgar Martinez did what they were ask to do.DH is a part of baseball. There is so much more to say for another day.
Oops. Let’s try this again.
Regarding Harold Baines:
“His 2,886 hits, 384 home runs, and .289 batting average are all respectful but they don’t demand a plaque.”
Uh…OK. Listed below are all of the HOF-eligible players who have more than 2886 hits but are NOT members of the Hall of Fame:
I rest my case. For the most part, it only takes about 2700 hits to get into the Hall, yet it seems nearly everyone is willing to make an exception for Harold Baines and his 2886.
@CharlieE, re: Harold Baines-
There is no doubt that Harold Baines had a long and productive career. And I don’t think being the player with the most hits who (of eligible players) is not in the Hall of Fame means that his numbers demand a plaque. I mean… SOMEONE has to be the player with the most hits not in the Hall. It seems logical it would be a player who didn’t do a whole lot on defense. And, using that argument (of hits), where would it end?
(Oh, and Palmeiro is eligible and not in the Hall. Granted, he just got on the ballot and is tainted by steroids). And there are a number of players not that far behind Baines in hits who aren’t in the Hall as well (Pinson, OLiver, Staub, Buckner, Parker). Using ANY stat I don’t think you could logically argue that the player with the most not in the Hall should be in the Hall.
There are six players in the Top 50 list who received a negative vote, that I feel belong in the HOF. They are Ken Boyer,Tommy John, Jim Kaat, Luis Tiant, David Cone, and Keith Hernandez. Prior to the Old Timers vote a Cub fan and I Had a discussion about the the relative cases for Ron Santo and Ken Boyer. While we were both in 100% agreement that Santo belonged; we disagreed about Boyer. So we did a comparison of Santo and Boyer using statistics from Baseball Almanac,com and Baseball-Reference.com. We found out that Santo and Boyer had very similar career statistics. I, also compared them to existing HOF third basemen who were their contemporaries : Brooks Robinson and Eddie Matthews. Again I found that both Santo and Boyer compared very favorably.
CardsPhil: Boyer absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame. I’d put Sal Bando and Deacon White in there right now, too (perhaps more).
Unsure how these people were chosen to make these votes, but, when players like Gene Tenace, Vic Powers, Jeff Fassaro and Roy Thomas receive votes and a pitcher of Mel Stottlemyre is completely overlooked, I have to question peoples knowledge. 164 wins, 139 losses, 40 complete game shutouts, 2.97 ERA almost all of these numbers will pitching for some of the worst teams in Yankee history. It was accomplished in 9 full seasons and 2 partial seasons that were together a full season. 3 twenty win seasons. Just for kicks, he’s the only pitcher to have a 5-5day at the plate. Oh, yes, He pitched a complete game shutout that day….as a rookie. He had a 2 homer game and an inside the park grand slam. Those are just the frills.
“At least for playing ability and stats, all-time hits king Rose can’t be any worse than second out of all the men here”
You could make a case that quite a few on this list had better ability and stats. Not counting stats… as Rose played about 6 years longer than he should have. But in terms of production on offense and defensive ability many players were better than Rose. Pete is owner of the worst silver sluger award ever given. A silver slugger award to a first baseman with 23 extra base hits and 33 RBI? Wow. A horrible award.
Well, I didn’t vote for any of the players you mention (Tenace, Powers, Fassero, Thomas) but off the top of my head I would probably take both Tenace and Roy Thomas over Stottlemyre. And no one was “chosen” to make their votes. Anyone who wanted to could vote. Graham plans on doing it again next year so please join in and vote in a year or so!
@Michael Rolston As Bob mentioned, anyone could vote in this project who wanted to. I had a tab on my homepage that directed people to either email me or leave a comment to get a ballot. I also emailed some folks to invite them to vote, used Twitter and links on a few major sites to get the word out, and I even did guest posts on two of the biggest baseball blogs to promote my project.
As far as your comment about Mel Stottlemyre, he’ll definitely have a place on the ballot next year. I also forgot Eddie Lopat and Vic Raschi, two other great Yankee pitchers. Personally, I might give Paul Derringer a vote first. He went 223-212, winning 20 games four times and playing the bulk of his career in the hitter-friendly 1930s. He also won World Series with two teams.
Gene Tenace was a write-in candidate, as I forgot him too. The fact that he got five votes is damn impressive. Current sabermetric research shows he was a bit underrated, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he receives double or triple the amount of votes in next year’s project.
This is a great debate and very well done. I have been looking into this topic for some time and feel that the Hall needs a boost of sorts. Basically I feel more players should be in now that the Hall has evolved into what it is. I would love to see Thurman Munson, Ted Simmons, Dave Parker, Dwight Evans, Alan Trammell and Steve Garvey inducted for starters – these guys were Awesome Baseball players!!!!!
@Chip Buck et al…
My comment was that Jack Morris should be included. Guess who took second in the voting this year? Mr. Jack Morris.
My childhood in Indiana was filled with trips to Ohio and nights watching the Reds play on channel 4 from Indianapolis. It was the 70s, and The Big Red Machine included names like Rose, Bench, Perez, Morgan, Griffey, Foster, Gullett, Borbon, Geronimo — all the while with Sparky in the dugout. While Johnny Bench was always my favorite, Dave Concepcion seemed to be the guy with the big play or small hit that helped to win so many important games.
Years later as a young adult I moved to Detroit. Sparky was again in the dugout… albeit for the Tigers. At shortstop was Trammell. The Tigers also had many stars, but just like Concepcion, it was Trammel who was the glue for the Tigers. It’s only fitting today, as Barry Larkin… the guy who replaced Concepcion with the Reds is voted into the HoF, to remember this. It’s only fitting that Trammell and Concepcion should be the next voted into the Hall of Fame at the shortstop position.
Some cool news to share. One of my voters here, former Cooperstown senior research associate Bill Deane publicly predicted that Jack Morris would receive 66 percent of the BBWAA vote this year:
@JT – Congrats on supporting Jack Morris. I’m not sure what Morris’s showing really says other than 67% of the voters weren’t rational enough to look beyond their biases and look toward the numbers. Jack Morris was the winningest pitcher of the 1980s, but that’s an arbitrary time period that penalizes better pitchers like Steve Carlton, Tom Seaver, Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens, etc. because they were either too young or too old to pitch the entire decade. Had he pitched throughout the entire 1970s or 1990s, he probably wouldn’t have cracked the top 15. Furthermore, among pitchers of the 1980s, he finished 43rd in ERA, 31st in ERA+, 28th in K/9, 61st in BB/9, 46th in K/BB, 32nd in WHIP, 67th in FIP, 13th in rWAR, and 7th in fWAR among 99 pitchers that hurled at least 1000 IPs. Those are hardly elite numbers.
Also, there’s this idea that Morris was the “ace” of four championship teams. Completely untrue. Jack Morris was certainly one of two top notch pitchers on the 1984 Tigers. While Morris put together a great season, Dan Petry was actually more valuable per rWAR and fWAR (although fWAR was barely). In 1991, Kevin Tapani was not only a better pitcher, but he was also more valuable than Morris. You could even make an argument that Scott Erickson was at least as good as Morris, but again, I’m willing to concede that Morris was the 2nd best pitcher on the team. In 1992, Morris was woefully average despite his shiny 21-6 record. (Thank you run support!) David Cone, Juan Guzman, and Jimmy Key were all superior pitchers to Morris that year. Furthermore, Morris was so awful during the playoffs, one could argue they Blue Jays won the World Series in spite of him. In 1993, his season was so terrible, he was both a sub-replacement level pitcher, and left off of the postseason roster entirely. I guess even his superhuman postseason abilities weren’t special enough for the Jays to take a chance on Morris.
Lastly, my favorite argument is that Morris’s 14 straight opening day starts somehow qualifies him for the Hall of Fame. For that, I’d like to provide Exhibit A (and really the only one I need to throw out this meaningless anecdote entirely). Livan Hernandez has started nine opening day games. Sure, it’s nice to start on opening day, but it’s hardly a badge of honor when so many crappy pitchers are allowed the honor. Not saying Morris was a crappy pitcher (overrated, yes), but that argument is far from valid.
Vada Pinson belongs in the HoF, as does Minnie Minoso–but not ahead of Shoeless Joe Jackson or Pete Rose. My memories of Vada Pinson is that he was a Phillies killer, who was a nightmare to pitch against. You could not walk him for fear that he might steal second or any open base. You could not afford to give him a single because he might stretch it into a double. His speed could stretch doubles into triples and triples into inside the park homeruns plus he had the power to hit it over the fence. Unfortunately, he had to take a back seat to Frank Robinson. His stats show at least 2500 hits and 250 HRs. How he got overlooked is a mystery to me.
The write-up on Tim Raines doesn’t do him justice. He’s the second-best leadoff man in the history of baseball. Period. A slam-dunk HOF’er.
I liked the comments about special mention or separate wings in HOF No one in the history of baseball overcame more adversity–in the form of unfairlly assigned and extreme abuse–than Fred Merkle. For sheer strength of character, he’s right behind Jackie Robinson.
George Uhle pitched for (mostly) the Indians in the 20s, won 200 games, led the league in wins for two seasons, and remains the pitcher with the best career batting average. During the Ruth era, Uhle was acknowledged by the Babe as his most difficult pitching opponent. George Uhle, who passed in 1985, at least belongs in the conversation.
Hi John, I’ll make a note to put Uhle on next year’s ballot though we’ve written about him a few times. In January, I included him in a batting lineup comprised solely of pitchers.
I really dont understand some of these players at all for example Lou Whitaker I mean his stats are umm bad lol I mean not like horrible I would take him on more than 1/2 the teams in the bigs now but come on the guy never hit 30 home runs hit 300 I think 2 times or so never drove in more than 80 runs and was not a base stealer at all… He was good on D sure but defense in baseball is not a huge deal really short maby but we all know D does not put you in the HOF. People throw the HOF stuff around alot who should be who should not be but lets face it it all goes by stats and so many people on this list should not be even considered. I do agree the Roid thing makes all this harder to adjust and figure out who should be and should not be in the hall of fame though. I grew up a HUGE Big Mac fan I mean I loved him to death I ended up Going pro In the 2000 draft with the brewers and took number 25 but even I dont think he should be in the HOF and here is why. I watched guys every year leave pretty good players and come back GODS after somehow getting WAY stronger WAY faster and have WAY better vision I was not stupid I knew what they took and it made me sick. I grew up loving baseball and I for one would not take the juice I was pushed to do it by many high level people but never would I had respect for the game I would not cheat even when I watched people that were not as good as me put up better numbers. So thats just it ROIDS makes you unhuman look at bonds his home run numbers where good never AMAZING he saw guys around him hitting bombs and getting attention and his ego could not take it. Bonds pumped more Roids into him than anybody and what emerged was a baseball player way past his prime shatter his own home run numbers from his late 20s early 30s. So in my opioun nobody that has done Roids should be in the HOF they are not real numbers. I have so much more to say and talk about with what players are good and who should/should not be in the hall but I am tired of typing lol
Update: January 2, 2013 – Version 3.0 is out.
I Lou Whitaker’s stats don’t warrant being in the Hall, then Ryne Sandberg and Bobby Alomar need to be removed.
Vada Pinson should be in the hall. Since the Hall of Fame is having such a hard time figuring out all this steroid crap they should go back and make all those who deserve it right! I believe in 63 the hall started and had many players inducted. It’s time to do it again! Let’s put in Shoeless Joe, Pete, Vada Pinson, Torre was amazing as a player yet overlooked. Tony Olive? Really? Come on! So many players that deserve it and have been overlooked. The process is flawed.
My eyes may be failing me, but I didn’t see Lefty O’Doul, who ranks among the best in career batting average. Also Van Haltren should be in top 50, as should Hal Chase. Thx
This is an excellent site. I am disappointed that Ken Boyer did not get in again. The Golden Era Committee missed it yesterday. I do not know how Ron Santo could have been voted in before Boyer. Boyer was a better player.